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05-04-2014, 11:45 AM
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05-04-2014, 11:56 AM
The following mod rulings are those that regard either general terms or completed or discontinued comics and series. As such, they will not be accompanied by a date that allows their discussion; if you believe you have enough evidence to establish them as wrong, PM a mod.
This particular subject has been debated at length, and Cassandra Cain as Batgirl in the Post-Crisis DC universe (pre-Nu52) was indeed a bullet timer of the high-end sort.
Batman in the post-crisis, pre-Nu52 universe was consistently portrayed as an aim dodger capable of avoiding the aim of numerous opponents at once. He was not, however, faster than a bullet.
Peak humans, as the termed is used here, are not bullet timers in speed. The difference in speed between the two is enough for a bullet timer to strike faster than the peak human can see.
Deathstroke defeating the JLA was not a valid portrayal of his abilities, being full of inconsistencies in how the JLA was portrayed and being inconsistent with his usual protrayal.
Likewise Deathstroke hitting the Flash, any Flash, is PIS.
Characters used as jokes, like Bugs Bunny, cannot do anything 'because it would be funny'.
If you want to claim that they can do something then provide feats like you would for any other character.
Pre and Post-Crisis Val Armorr's feats of fighting against vastly superhuman opponents simply because he is that skilled are generally valid. The individual feats are perhaps debatable, but his general portrayal is at a level such where he operates roughly in a kryptonian ballpark in most cases.
Yes, it's silly. That doesn't change his long history of being portrayed at that level.
Yes, he exists in that setting.
Generally, travel speed and reaction speed are not the same thing. Just because a character can go lightspeed in a straight line does not automatically makes them lightspeed in reaction. They need specific feats for being able to react at that level.
05-04-2014, 12:20 PM
The following mod rulings regard characters and setting who are still ongoing, and as such new evidence might come to change things. If you wish to discuss them, you must use feats that come after the specific date; if you wish to discuss older portrayals, PM a mod.
Captain America of the standard Marvel universe (616) is peak human as far as Rumbles is concerned. This puts him below Class 1 and above opponents in strength, slower than a bullet timer, etc. In fact, he (along with Batman) is pretty much the posterboy for Peak Human aside from his endurance.
Instances where he has operated above that level have almost universally either SMvsFL, PIS or power-ups over a lot of debates so please take into account when discussing this ruling that barring him receiving a (acknowledged in-story) power up after the above date, it will be very difficult to overcome the decades of evidence that he has of being consistently peak human.
616 Thor's reaction speed is somewhere between a bullet timer and the high machs. This puts him as far faster than peak humans, but below people like Superman.
Instances of 616 Thor taking hits from Galactus, Celestials and their ilks are SMvsFL, being ludicrously above his consistent portrayal as someone that can generally be hurt by far weaker individuals like the Silver Surfer, Hulk or Juggernaut.
Silver Surfer Speed
Having reviewed the Evidence Presented, I feel fine placing him on par with Wally West.
New speed ruling.
Having looked over the thread, my view on Canon is that it goes the DB Manga, DragonBall Super, with the new Movies (BoG and the Golden Frieza Movie) being side stories, and DBO.
I don't see DBZ Kai as being canon at all. It's a shortened version of the anime, but that's really all it is.
Let's let that stand as our ruling on DBZ Canon.
DBZ Canon Ruling.
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