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Deathstroke the Terminator
05-08-2014, 12:41 AM
Two of my favorite villains squaring off against each other, who would win and why?

Round 1: Random encounter in Gotham city, Slade has standard gear + his staff. In character

Round 2: Slade is given a contract to take out Ivy. He is given as long as it takes to prepare. Ivy knows he's coming and prepares for him.

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Blackid
05-08-2014, 07:45 AM
Poison Ivy has a heavy amount of protection with her "babies" always looking out for her... He has no way to hide with every plant whispering to her where he is... and her spores are extremely powerful. I say PI handles this hands down as long as they are in far range... the closer he is, the worse it is for her.

Hazard
05-08-2014, 10:00 AM
In a random match, Deathstroke is more than fast enough to put a bullet through her head before she does anything else.

Round 2, Ivy (Post Crisis at least) has some really good control over plants. In Gotham Sirens, she uses plants to find where Zatanna is staying, then sends one to attack her while she is in the shower to send a message.

Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh
05-08-2014, 10:26 AM
In a random match, Deathstroke is more than fast enough to put a bullet through her head before she does anything else.

Round 2, Ivy (Post Crisis at least) has some really good control over plants. In Gotham Sirens, she uses plants to find where Zatanna is staying, then sends one to attack her while she is in the shower to send a message.

Sexy Plant and the Magic Shower Time?

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-08-2014, 02:53 PM
Poison Ivy has a heavy amount of protection with her "babies" always looking out for her... He has no way to hide with every plant whispering to her where he is... and her spores are extremely powerful. I say PI handles this hands down as long as they are in far range... the closer he is, the worse it is for her.

I don't believe Ivy's spores would effect Slade thanks to his healing factor; from the DC wiki "Deathstroke's regenerative abilities have some affect on his body's ability to process through harmful, foreign substances and he has become naturally immune to deadly poisons and illnesses."

MorphyVSFischer
05-08-2014, 04:05 PM
I don't believe Ivy's spores would effect Slade thanks to his healing factor; from the DC wiki "Deathstroke's regenerative abilities have some affect on his body's ability to process through harmful, foreign substances and he has become naturally immune to deadly poisons and illnesses."

We need feats not just wiki statements, as they don't count.

Hazard
05-08-2014, 05:51 PM
We need feats not just wiki statements, as they don't count.

Pretty much. Statements from the wiki are not actual evidence in Rumbles.

You need actual feats from the comic books of Deathstroke showing some immunity to poison.

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-08-2014, 05:53 PM
We need feats not just wiki statements, as they don't count.

OK, here are some scans from City of Assassins (I cant post the images themselves because they're too large, but I can post links to them, sorry for the inconvenience)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752228-deathstroke_08_page003.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752229-deathstroke_08_page004.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752230-deathstroke_08_page005.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752231-deathstroke_08_page006.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752227-deathstroke_08_page007.jpg

So here's the context to those scans; Slade had just defeated Batman in a straight up fight and was really beat up. Then he got his butt kicked by a mob hitman and was captured. He's injected with an insane amount of truth serum and he still resists it despite being severely damaged from his fights earlier, and he still beats up all the guys restraining him. Now imagine his resistance when his body is operating at full capacity, Ivy's spores and toxins probably wouldn't effect him very much, and he could probably resist the effects if they did.

Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh
05-08-2014, 06:18 PM
It says, in those scans, that he's reacting to the serum. Evident by his freaking the hell put and babbling about Wintergreen.

So ... Not exactly helping your case.

Blackid
05-08-2014, 06:45 PM
Exactly... of course he's strong and truth serum is used to make a person just be in a dream state to tell the truth.. therefore people hallucinate and with Slade, he's having flashbacks... that's not resistance. it's a wild reaction that many folk have... and again Poison ivys stuff is long and drawn out.... she could have the spores pump out till he just falls asleep....

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-08-2014, 06:47 PM
It says, in those scans, that he's reacting to the serum. Evident by his freaking the hell put and babbling about Wintergreen.

So ... Not exactly helping your case.

You're right, he does react to the serum, but only because he was injected with an absurd amount of it. He still doesn't succumb to the intend effect though and manages to keep fighting... even if he doesn't keep his composure. My point is that if he were poisoned he wouldn't succumb instantly and could still keep fighting. In those scans he was also restrained after being heavily damaged. Had he been 100% he would of never been kept down and could of probably resisted the effects of the serum altogether. Also unless Slade is being an old pervert and is checking out Ivy and she poisons him while he's mystified by her I don't even see him getting poisoned.

lol, I originally wanted to stay neutral for this fight but I guess I'm backing Slade at this point.

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-08-2014, 06:51 PM
I just remembered something and I feel so stupid for not mentioning it earlier, Slade's armor is made of Volatile Promethium. His body is constantly being poisoned and he isn't killed by it because of his healing factor. Is that proof enough?

master of read
05-08-2014, 07:10 PM
You're right, he does react to the serum, but only because he was injected with an absurd amount of it. He still doesn't succumb to the intend effect though and manages to keep fighting... even if he doesn't keep his composure. My point is that if he were poisoned he wouldn't succumb instantly and could still keep fighting. In those scans he was also restrained after being heavily damaged. Had he been 100% he would of never been kept down and could of probably resisted the effects of the serum altogether. Also unless Slade is being an old pervert and is checking out Ivy and she poisons him while he's mystified by her I don't even see him getting poisoned.

lol, I originally wanted to stay neutral for this fight but I guess I'm backing Slade at this point.

there is a difference between being resistant to truth serum, which i'm not saying that he is, and being immune to poison. two totally different substances that do two totally different things.

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-09-2014, 04:49 PM
there is a difference between being resistant to truth serum, which i'm not saying that he is, and being immune to poison. two totally different substances that do two totally different things.

Sorry for the ultra late reply, but I made that comparison to show that Deathstroke is resistant to foreign substances entering his body as evident in the first scan where they say he resists the effects even after being heavily injured.

Now to talk about his actual poison immunity. His armor is made of volatile promethium, it is constantly poisoning him but it doesn't kill him because of his healing factor. I think that should be proof enough to show his immunity to Ivy's toxins and poisons.

master of read
05-09-2014, 04:57 PM
Sorry for the ultra late reply, but I made that comparison to show that Deathstroke is resistant to foreign substances entering his body as evident in the first scan where they say he resists the effects even after being heavily injured.

Now to talk about his actual poison immunity. His armor is made of volatile promethium, it is constantly poisoning him but it doesn't kill him because of his healing factor. I think that should be proof enough to show his immunity to Ivy's toxins and poisons.

if he was resisting the effects, he wouldnt have been tripping balls the way he was.

also, where does it say that his armor is poisoning him? also, just how poisoning is the stuff?

big_adventure
05-09-2014, 11:07 PM
OK, Deathstroke would need feats for resisting poison la Wolverine or Deathstroke to prevent a 10-count at least against Ivy's poisons.

Deathstroke has no such feats.

Now, in a scenario where Ivy doesn't know he's coming, Slade could maybe find a way to spot her from a mile off and snipe her out of range or something, but if she DOES know he's coming, there really isn't any reason for her to show her face at all.

Jonathan
05-10-2014, 02:09 AM
1. Deathstroke---guns and reflexes and all.

2. Ivy---her plant stuff gives her an advantage with prep time.

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-11-2014, 12:22 AM
if he was resisting the effects, he wouldnt have been tripping balls the way he was.

also, where does it say that his armor is poisoning him? also, just how poisoning is the stuff?

I think your missing the point I've been trying to make so I'll start my argument again from the beginning

Deathstroke had just fought and defeated Batman
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427117-deathstroke07page015.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427118-deathstroke07page016.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427119-deathstroke07page019.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427120-deathstroke07page020.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427121-deathstroke07page021.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427123-deathstroke07page022.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427124-deathstroke07page023.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427125-deathstroke07page024.jpg

Slade was badly hurt after his fight
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112794/3427141-8651487411-batvs.jpg

Despite his injuries he still went on with his mission, got attacked and managed to put up a fight
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752205-deathstroke_08_page003.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752217-deathstroke_08_page005.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752218-deathstroke_08_page006.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752219-deathstroke_08_page007.jpg

He was eventually defeated and captured, and by that time his body had already taken an absurd amount of damage and was in a extremely weakened state.

Now that I got that out of the way, he DID temporarily resist the serum (and completely resisted the intend effect of telling the mob the truth) and only started tripping balls after he was injected with an insane amount of the stuff. Here's the point I've been trying to make: Had he been at 100% he would not have succumbed to the serum and started to hallucinate.

And yes his armor is made out of a radioactive material called Promethium and its constantly giving off radiation poisoning but it doesn't kill him because of his healing factor, It's been stated in a comic I read once, unfortunately I cannot provide the scans because I don't own it. It's supposedly can mutate a person, but I don't know how true that is.

master of read
05-11-2014, 12:58 AM
I think your missing the point I've been trying to make so I'll start my argument again from the beginning

Deathstroke had just fought and defeated Batman
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427117-deathstroke07page015.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427118-deathstroke07page016.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427119-deathstroke07page019.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427120-deathstroke07page020.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427121-deathstroke07page021.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427123-deathstroke07page022.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427124-deathstroke07page023.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132956/3427125-deathstroke07page024.jpg

Slade was badly hurt after his fight
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112794/3427141-8651487411-batvs.jpg

Despite his injuries he still went on with his mission, got attacked and managed to put up a fight
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752205-deathstroke_08_page003.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752217-deathstroke_08_page005.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752218-deathstroke_08_page006.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3752219-deathstroke_08_page007.jpg

He was eventually defeated and captured, and by that time his body had already taken an absurd amount of damage and was in a extremely weakened state.

Now that I got that out of the way, he DID temporarily resist the serum (and completely resisted the intend effect of telling the mob the truth) and only started tripping balls after he was injected with an insane amount of the stuff. Here's the point I've been trying to make: Had he been at 100% he would not have succumbed to the serum and started to hallucinate.

And yes his armor is made out of a radioactive material called Promethium and its constantly giving off radiation poisoning but it doesn't kill him because of his healing factor, It's been stated in a comic I read once, unfortunately I cannot provide the scans because I don't own it. It's supposedly can mutate a person, but I don't know how true that is.


first of all, beating batman, while good, is not the point people are trying to make.

second, the fact that, regardless of the size of dosage, he did succumb to the serum shows that he has no specific immunity to toxins, poisons, or serums. unless you can prove with feats that slade can take that stuff and it have zero effect on him, then you can make your argument.

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-11-2014, 02:46 PM
first of all, beating batman, while good, is not the point people are trying to make.

second, the fact that, regardless of the size of dosage, he did succumb to the serum shows that he has no specific immunity to toxins, poisons, or serums. unless you can prove with feats that slade can take that stuff and it have zero effect on him, then you can make your argument.

I know beating Batman isn't the point people are trying to make, I'm not using ABC logic of Deathstroke > Batman, Batman > Poison Ivy, ergo; Deathstroke > Ivy. The point I've been trying to get across is that Slade took a tremendous amount of punishment and was in a extremely weakened state by that time, if he had been stronger he could of resisted it. But since this is just going in circles, I'll just say you won, Deathstroke is in fact weak to serum's after he's been beaten within an inch of his life.

Now then, can you show me scans of Ivy using her spores at range in order to poison someone? Because Deathstroke doesn't even have to get close to her, so this argument might not even come into play.

And just how fast do her spores work? Someone said it's long and drawn out, if that's the case that wouldn't work because his healing factor is capable of quickly adapting to situations.
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/DeathStrokeT-20-17.jpg
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Hazard
05-11-2014, 06:21 PM
Regarding Ivy's feats.

This is her using the plants all over the city to keep an eye on Harley (well, more like the "Green" tells her what she wants to know):
http://i.imgur.com/MmP1MT1.jpg

This is her manipulating plants long range:
http://i.imgur.com/GIGqPVC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0JxIQ0d.jpg

master of read
05-11-2014, 06:33 PM
Regarding Ivy's feats.

This is her using the plants all over the city to keep an eye on Harley (well, more like the "Green" tells her what she wants to know):
http://i.imgur.com/MmP1MT1.jpg

This is her manipulating plants long range:
http://i.imgur.com/GIGqPVC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0JxIQ0d.jpg

impressive plant control.

Deathstroke the Terminator
05-11-2014, 11:26 PM
Regarding Ivy's feats.

This is her using the plants all over the city to keep an eye on Harley (well, more like the "Green" tells her what she wants to know):
http://i.imgur.com/MmP1MT1.jpg

This is her manipulating plants long range:
http://i.imgur.com/GIGqPVC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0JxIQ0d.jpg

Impressive, what stood out to me when I first read that comic was how she was able to make some bouquets of flowers large enough to restrain Zatanna.

Having said that do you have scans of Ivy poisoning someone at long range?