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Stigmazilla
05-07-2015, 01:21 PM
The MCU gets warned that a new enemy force will be coming they get a year to prepare and get all characters including dead ones (Whiplash, Ronan ect), the Empire must take over Earth, Asgard, and Xandar.

TheLastDalek
05-07-2015, 02:50 PM
I don't think they can get to Asgard since it is on another plane of existence to the rest of the MCU (assuming were not using EU stuff). It could be a simple matter of using the Bifrost to send there heavy hitters directly to the Emperor who really wouldn't have much of a chance (again assuming were not using EU stuff)

Beadle
05-07-2015, 03:56 PM
Just use the Bifrost (or Tesseract, or whatever) to port Kurse onto the Death Star then just sit back and watch. Eventually, everything will just go quiet.

Stigmazilla
05-07-2015, 04:32 PM
Just use the Bifrost (or Tesseract, or whatever) to port Kurse onto the Death Star then just sit back and watch. Eventually, everything will just go quiet.

Can they be used like that? for precise teleportation I mean?

Hiromi
05-07-2015, 04:39 PM
Well Earth and Xander would go down pretty quickly since there's no real defense we saw against having a bunch of Star Destroyers jump in and start orbital bombardment, as for Asgard, can you even get there via normal space travel?

StupidMoniker
05-07-2015, 04:56 PM
If the Empire can get to Asgard, they have no trouble winning this. Space defense in the MCU is rather non-existent. Since they have to "take over" three planets, that rules out just blowing them all up with the Death Star, but orbital bombardment is a viable tactic, depending on how you define take over. Do they have to subjugate the population, or is global extinction followed by landing a single stormtrooper sufficient?

Stigmazilla
05-07-2015, 04:58 PM
If the Empire can get to Asgard, they have no trouble winning this. Space defense in the MCU is rather non-existent. Since they have to "take over" three planets, that rules out just blowing them all up with the Death Star, but orbital bombardment is a viable tactic, depending on how you define take over. Do they have to subjugate the population, or is global extinction followed by landing a single stormtrooper sufficient?

Subjugate the population

TheLastDalek
05-07-2015, 05:00 PM
Can they be used like that? for precise teleportation I mean?

It seems to beam Thor and friends to and from pretty much anywhere they want

Hiromi
05-07-2015, 05:01 PM
Destroying major population centers typically does wonders in subjugating the rest of the global population

The Watcher
05-07-2015, 05:17 PM
How is the Empire going to defend from Heimdal from blasting the Emperor, Vader, and anyone else in command plus the ships and planets they happen to be on into atoms with Bifrost before they even get near any important worlds?

Estrecca
05-07-2015, 05:23 PM
How is the Empire going to defend from Heimdal from blasting the Emperor, Vader, and anyone else in command plus the ships and planets they happen to be on into atoms with Bifrost before they even get near any important worlds?

Because the planet destroying capacities of the Bifrost seem to be some kind of really slow acting, possibly chain reaction thingy that have never been deployed against moving targets?

Captain Smith
05-08-2015, 11:38 AM
Aren't there shielded ships in the Empire (well, if the Legos Star Wars Universe counts!)? Heimdal has to be real close to sense one. I don't see him being able to respond to multiple ships firing from a significant distance and swarms of fighters. That assumes SW ships can get to Asgard. Asgardian local defenses weren't too much in terms of capabilities. We don't know what would crack the shield.

As far as Earth - it's toast.

The MunchKING
05-08-2015, 12:45 PM
Aren't there shielded ships in the Empire (well, if the Legos Star Wars Universe counts!)? Heimdal has to be real close to sense one.

If you're talking about cloaking, IIRC Maul had one. The rest I know of are EU only.

Melab
05-11-2015, 07:29 PM
How is the Empire going to defend from Heimdal from blasting the Emperor, Vader, and anyone else in command plus the ships and planets they happen to be on into atoms with Bifrost before they even get near any important worlds?

Since when was the Bifrost a weapon?

Iron_Twister
05-11-2015, 07:34 PM
Since when was the Bifrost a weapon?

When Loki used it in an attempt to destroy the Frost Giants and their world.

Acecool
05-11-2015, 10:38 PM
Because the planet destroying capacities of the Bifrost seem to be some kind of really slow acting, possibly chain reaction thingy that have never been deployed against moving targets?

All worlds are by definition moving. We are moving right now about 18 miles per second, about 64,000 miles per hour. The bifrost is able to pin point that pretty well.

Captain Smith
05-12-2015, 08:49 AM
When you need to target fast moving ships numbering in the 1000s, we don't see Heimdall and the Bifrost having anywhere near the reaction time to do that.

Shooting down things like that take tremendous fire control. I don't see a feat of Heimdall being able to target multiple incoming.

The Watcher
05-12-2015, 08:52 AM
Why would he be waiting till they're actually incoming to Asgard. Once the year of prep is over, what's stopping him from targeting the flagship commanding the fleet while it's still in Imperial territory?

big_adventure
05-12-2015, 11:05 AM
Why would he be waiting till they're actually incoming to Asgard. Once the year of prep is over, what's stopping him from targeting the flagship commanding the fleet while it's still in Imperial territory?

Even more: once prep is done, simply teleport Thor directly onto whatever ship you want, deep in enemy territory. One Jotunheim-blast, that ship is an empty husk. Lather, rinse repeat. It would take the guy about an hour to take out the entire Imperial fleet - and that's if he stops for shwarma and a quickie with Jane.

Estrecca
05-12-2015, 12:15 PM
Why would he be waiting till they're actually incoming to Asgard. Once the year of prep is over, what's stopping him from targeting the flagship commanding the fleet while it's still in Imperial territory?

Presumably that would be the fact that the flagship is likely to be some variant of Death Star and therefore one would need to prove that the Bifrost can damage such, in spite of those things having the ability to remain undamaged in close proximity to planets that go kaboom.

Hiromi
05-12-2015, 01:12 PM
Plus they can always jump to hyperspace at which point they're moving far faster than the asguardians have feats for tracking and targeting.

Jmacq1
05-12-2015, 01:45 PM
A year of prep?

Pretty sure Asgard can pull out the plot devices (Tesseract, Aether, Cask of Ancient Winters, whatever else is in that armory) and handily win this, in that case.

Also important distinction: Old-EU Empire, New EU Empire, or Strictly Movie canon Empire?

Captain Smith
05-12-2015, 05:39 PM
Once the year of prep is over, what's stopping him from targeting the flagship commanding the fleet while it's still in Imperial territory?

Any competent military command has redundancy of command.


Lather, rinse repeat. It would take the guy about an hour to take out the entire Imperial fleet

1000 ships - that's about 3 sec a ship - don't see it.

Jmacq1
05-13-2015, 05:54 AM
Any competent military command has redundancy of command.

The Empire is hardly the most competent military around. In EU lore the Emperor was practically the only thing holding them together (and subconsciously at that), which is why they fragmented so badly after his death. Additionally, they had an unfortunate tendency to bunch together their best and brightest in centralized locations (The Death Star, the Executor). In the old EU it was often brought up that it was just as much the loss of "brain trust" that was represented in the destruction of the two Death Stars and the Executor as the loss of hardware that most contributed to the Empire's defeat.

The real question is: Is Grand Admiral Thrawn alive and does he get time to study Asgardian and Xandarian art beforehand? :D

Sharpandpointies
05-13-2015, 09:37 AM
Tesseract, Aether, Cask of Ancient Winters, whatever else is in that armory...

Eye of Agamotto.

Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh
05-13-2015, 12:41 PM
Eye of Agamotto.

That's there? Did I miss it?

Stigmazilla
05-13-2015, 12:54 PM
That's there? Did I miss it?

Seems it is

http://marvel-movies.wikia.com/wiki/Odin%27s_Trophy_Room

I find it kind of funny how to the Casket of Ancient Winters has been pretty much forgetten since the first Thor, when most of the other big items have all been revealed as Infinity Stones/Gems