PDA

View Full Version : The Illuminati vs The Extinction Team



moonknight11
04-30-2014, 06:23 PM
Cyclops' old x-men team meant to safeguard humanity from extinction takes on another marvel team that secretly safeguards humanity from extinction.

Which team wins?

Lineups

Extinction Team:

Cyclops
Danger
Hope
Emma Frost
Magik
Colossus
Storm
Magneto

Illuminati:

Iron Man
Beast
Reed Richards
Black Panther
Namor
Doctor Strange
Black Bolt


For the purposes of this rumble both Black Bolt's sonic scream and Emma's telepathy are disabled.

Bonus: Which stacked composite would be more powerful?

Pendaran
04-30-2014, 06:27 PM
Black Bolt being overall depowered these days makes him less of a "could just dominate this fight" factor as far as screwing everyone up with his bajillion other powers ontop of being a quality brick like he normally is.

It comes down to how much of a recovery to classic Strange has made. Otherwise Team X-men, as far as the quickdraw, have wayyy more AoE screwover move people as far as their odds of winning it and just massively damaging the other side. And Namor can be teleported away.

Jonathan
04-30-2014, 06:50 PM
Is there any prep time?

shades of eternity
04-30-2014, 07:20 PM
yeah

without strange having a moment, there is literally nothing that can stop colossus on the other side.

Victor Freeman
04-30-2014, 07:23 PM
Banner/Hulk is the newest member of the Illuminati, which changes the dynamic here a lot.

Pendaran
04-30-2014, 07:32 PM
Hulk's not immune to being BFR'd the hell away. So.. not really.




without strange having a moment, there is literally nothing that can stop colossus on the other side.

Oh, any number of the people on the other side could take out Colossus just fine. He himself is pretty irrelevant to this fight.

Guy Smiley
04-30-2014, 08:25 PM
Oh, any number of the people on the other side could take out Colossus just fine. He himself is pretty irrelevant to this fight.

What if he was still Collossonaut? (I gather he was at the time of Extinction team, so I'm guessing shades was thinking that version.) Does he have anything close to Juggy's feats in that version?

Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh
04-30-2014, 08:35 PM
What if he was still Collossonaut? (I gather he was at the time of Extinction team, so I'm guessing shades was thinking that version.) Does he have anything close to Juggy's feats in that version?

Well, he beat Juggernaut when he was Kuurth.

Outside of that, I can't exactly recall much in the way of anything, especially since he kind of didn't use it after that.

shades of eternity
05-01-2014, 08:10 AM
smucked red hulk with 3 punches. The only reason he lost is because he powered down.

and that's assuming the other team breaker (magneto) doesn't beat him to the punch.

chisob
05-12-2014, 12:08 PM
Extinction team win. Magik is the biggest gun on the x-side, she can stomp on beings like Dormammu. Strange usually wins through prep and guile. Danger can reform from completely being blown apart and Colossus is the Avatar of Cyttorak. Extinction team is more powerful as a whole. One Hell Lord, one Avatar of Cyttorak and a super powerful robot that can't be killed. Hope would be able to access all these powers and doubles their firepower. Magneto is actually one of the weaker memebers of this team.

Illumitatti wins if there is prep involved or Strange's new amp puts him way above Magik. THe Soul sword can hurt skyfather level beings though

big_adventure
05-12-2014, 02:02 PM
Extinction team win. Magik is the biggest gun on the x-side, she can stomp on beings like Dormammu.

She IS a big gun, no doubt, but to be entirely fair here:

1. This is pretty far above her "normal" level, so...

2. This happened in her own dimension, where she is explicitly the baddest of the bad.

It's still impressive as hell, taking down Furnace Face, but it required both a situation VASTLY favorable to her and isn't something that could be recreated without a very specific scenario.

chisob
05-12-2014, 06:42 PM
She IS a big gun, no doubt, but to be entirely fair here:

1. This is pretty far above her "normal" level, so...

2. This happened in her own dimension, where she is explicitly the baddest of the bad.

It's still impressive as hell, taking down Furnace Face, but it required both a situation VASTLY favorable to her and isn't something that could be recreated without a very specific scenario.

Well she can teleport everyone to Limbo, but I agree she has to hulk out into her darkchilde form. Seeing her brother in trouble will cause that though.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3491148-magik+darkchilde.jpeg

This battle really boils down to Strange vs Magik.

big_adventure
05-12-2014, 10:40 PM
Well she can teleport everyone to Limbo, but I agree she has to hulk out into her darkchilde form. Seeing her brother in trouble will cause that though.


This battle really boils down to Strange vs Magik.

Strange can bring them back from limbo, and if Illyana goes herself, she's ringing herself out and DQ'd.

Fast
05-12-2014, 10:46 PM
I was going to say BlackBolt solos but he is apparently depowered. Is he powerless or just weakened? Is he relevant here at all?

If Doc Strange is still weakened and with BB out Magik and Magneto should take this just fine unless Illuminati have prep. Namor is good but he's not getting through Mags shield I think

chisob
05-12-2014, 11:25 PM
Strange can bring them back from limbo, and if Illyana goes herself, she's ringing herself out and DQ'd.

Magik can seal Limbo and she has prevented teleporters like Thor, Strange and other demons from porting out though.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2298117-limbo_sealed.jpg


She would be able to also send in an army of demons that can help out vs the illuminati. They have all sorts of power's they have used the power cosmic and they have the transmode virus. Nova Prime almost died from that...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3056222-1049706-10549new_storyimage_99879427_495x7522.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3773647-nm47_knights.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2689607-xmenlg2008270_int_lr_page3.jpg



She can use her teleportation in combat (like using them as sheilds or teleporting heads off).

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2950509-tumblr_m3zjoxn7si1rrslrmo1_500+%282%29.png

Her soul sword would be great vs Strange (canceling and cutting through his spells)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2908861-xmen191_6.jpg

Scott needed all of his heavy hitters ( Magneto, iceman, Storm, Emma, Namor, Northstar, etc...)behind him when he wanted Magik contained

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2310167-16a4k6c.png

She has a ton of spells (although the same can be said for Strange)

People are also sleeping on Danger. Polaris rips her apart and she just reforms from nothing.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3709741-4-3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3709742-all-new-x-factor-004-2014-digital-nahga-empire-015.jpg

Her hard light constructs can make her similar to a reality warper coming up with all sorts of attacks

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3709743-iqi6mde3w8mbqy3zjodno5zuz.jpg

Strange vs Magik is a toss up since we still don't know what Strange can do w/ his new amp.

After the two even with Bolt using his voice, the power game goes to the E-team. BB won't be able to put down an Avatar of Cyttorak and Danger can refrom from being completely destroyed add Magneto there and it's a numbers game in favor of the E-team. As poweful as Namor is he won't be bringing much to the table in a battle like this. He could just get ported to the sun or transmuted into a frog.

Hope will have access to magik's porting, magneto's powers, colossus armor, storm's weather control, beast's agility, etc..

big_adventure
05-13-2014, 01:07 AM
I'm not disagreeing that current Magik is a beast in a fight - she is. I simply stated that referencing her stomp of Dormammu is a reach is all. The Ex folks win handily without prep (thanks to current BB's weakness, of course) while the New Avengers win with prep (just as easily).