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Tami
06-01-2014, 11:25 PM
Rumbler's League - Week One

Darth Drizzle (http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3501-Rumbler-s-League-2014-Spring-Summer-Team-Reference&p=94584&viewfull=1#post94584)

Vs

Bobisbeast/Holacik (http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3501-Rumbler-s-League-2014-Spring-Summer-Team-Reference&p=93489&viewfull=1#post93489)

Arena: Purgatory (http://rumblers-league.wikispaces.com/Purgatory)

Rules:


No Posting or Voting during the 1st hour and the last hour of this match
No Posting Non-Debate posts here unless absolutely necessary. Non-debate Posts should be posted in the Discussion Thread. If you must absolutely post one, please mark it as a Non-debate post to avoid confusion. No more than 4 MAX allowed in this thread.
Each Team gets 7 Debate Posts
Two-Player Teams, only one can vote for their team.

Tami
06-01-2014, 11:29 PM
Team Darth Drizzle Strategy

Opening Moves: Maxima quickly teleports everyone 500m up in the air and backwards, as Tempo stops (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/783950-xmenlegacy208zonemegangfc0.jpg) time (http://comicsdaily.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/xmen207pg24p2-3.jpg)(her team can move freely). Then Maxima/Multi-Vulcan/Manhattan form their clone Squads making a clone for each enemy. Now 500m away up in the sky with their clones formed and ready Maxima gets a read on the enemy location and teleports her team behind them and the fight begins.

Maxima Squad: Maxima and her clones start by launching a versatile assault with Clone 1 sheioding herself behind a CCR enhanced Forecfield (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/33599/1433266-maxima_acno651.jpg) and using her Telepathic powers to mentally Slam her opponents with a psionic bolt directly into their minds knocking them out or halting any action they are trying. Clones 2-5 each attack their targets using her High level Matter Manipulation, enhanced Ice beams/Heat Vision, and TK to destroy items and armor(turns them to glass or rubber), traps them in Ice unable to move, and absorbs any energy attack coming at them, while Maxima(Original) targets Allen and Juggernaut and traps them in a Singularity (http://rumblers-league.wikispaces.com/file/view/RuneII1_Annihilus_Opens_Cosmic_Singularity.jpg) and Dimension Dumps them into the Negative Zone. After they are gone she helps her clones and teammates out and brings back anyone who is dumped or teleported by the enemy.

*Offensive Moves: Boosted Telepathic Sledgehammer bolt followed by Shutting down Minds. Non Organic Matter is transmuted into glass or rubber by high level Matter Manipulation and destroyed by enhanced TK/Eye Beams
*Defensive Moves:Energy attacks are absorbed with CCR, a highly enhanced Forcefield around her, and her base Superman like durability being boosted 3x over by similarly durable item boosts.
Taken Out: Silver Juggernaut, Allen the Alien, rest of team

Omega Army: Multi-Vulcan sends his 5 clones out to attack each enemy while he snaps his fingers and makes 10 more and these clones main objective is to absorb and redirect any/all energy attacks coming at the team from any angle in front or behind them(using Instant Transmission to move around) and to make more clones while doing so. Multi-Vulcan himself and the original clone made earlier go with Tempo and with their speed amped they attack Arion and just like when he fought against the highly powerful Mage Adam Warlock they Instantly Drain (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/99413/1812757-warlock_vsvulcan4.jpg) Arion of his Magic energy(no touching required) and then blasts him to bones while he is weakened or simply crushes him with Wonder Woman strength boosted by Sigil powered armored fists. Multi-Vulcan and clones then go and help whoever needs it and brings back anyone dumped or teleported away.

*Offensive Moves: Thor level energy blasts enhanced by SR's Sigil, Wonder Woman strength enhanced by Sigil power matter manipulatin and energy
*Defensive Moves:Absobs or redirects any/all energy coming at team with no fear of overloading, Wonder Woman durability enhanced highly by Sigil durability, EVERY impact by physical or energetic means creates clones and the more powerful the impact the more clones are made at once
Taken Out: Arion, rest of team

Dr.Brigade: Dr.Manhattan following the team leaders plans has his clones beam out in a flash of light to go after each enemy while he himself targets Quicksilver. He uses his ridiculous TK to catch and hold him then using his ToK powers to enhance his own he blows him apart like he has done to many soldier's before and if he comes back somehow he traps him in a energy construct bubble and lets a Maxima clone trap him in a sigularity if he has not been mentally shut down yet. His clones when attacking the single enemies use their ToK powers to aura sheild themselves and use Glint Fruit/ToK combined energy attacks to take them out as well as try to explode them(with ToK/Glint Fruit energy added to his energy used to explode matter).

*Offensive Moves: Explodes Matter(or removes Intrensic Field) of enemies, Glint Fruit enhanced ToK beams and constructs tear through enemies.while enhanced TK holds or crushes enemies in place.
*Defensive Moves: Uses his ToK powers to redirect energy at his opponents, or lets attacks pass through him in Light form, and he has high base durability due to the ToK powers, and reforms his body if need be.
Taken Out: Quicksilver, rest of team

Queen Tempo/Selene: Tempo goes along with Multi-Vulcan to attack Arion using her powers to speed up herself and Multi-Vulcan Zoom style (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_medium/0/9345/404254-142494-tempo.jpg) and with Speed incredibly boosted Multi-Vulcan drains Arion in an instant and then KO's him at speed or blows him away and Tempo uses Superman piercing arrows(also speed boosted) and Freeze arrows(absolute zero flash freeze on contact) to seal the deal. Then keeping up the time boost Tempo and Multi-Vulcan go after high priority targets and do the same to them. Selene goes for cover and picks her shots to try and hit any distracted enemies with bullets to the eyes.

*Offensive Moves: Time Stops, Time manipulated speed boost, Sped up Wonder Woman speed Arrows with Supermqn piercing and Absolute Zero properties.
Defensive Moves: Time stop, or time slow, a Maxima/Multi-Vulcan/Dr.Manhattan clone protecting her at all times.
Taken Out: Arion, Vulcan, rest of team

Tami
06-01-2014, 11:31 PM
Team Bobisbeast/Holacik

Part 1: Keep Them Out Of The Loop

Allen: Rush towards any enemy attacks at top speeds, attempting to get hit by anything the opposing team sends our way in the initial onslaught. If nothing is directly targeting the team, he'll just zoom over to the other side of the mountain and physically assault anyone he sees.

Arion: He'll immediately teleport (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Desaad/media/Arion/AriontheImmortal05-09.jpg.html) himself and Vulcan five feet behind the opposing team's starting location. He will proceed to then turn the entire opposing team into apes. (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Desaad/media/Arion/AriontheImmortal05-02.jpg.html)

Vulcan Von Doom: His very first thought will be dedicated to controlling the energies of Maxima and Tempo's brains (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/powers/Misc/misc%201/3.jpg.html)so they're unable to utilize their powers. Once teleported, he'll immediately dash towards Maxima, and seize control (http://rumblers-league.wikispaces.com/file/view/TheFirst30+Ingra+Steals+Gauntlet.JPG/492929168/TheFirst30+Ingra+Steals+Gauntlet.JPG) of the gauntlet and if possible, the Control Rod. He'll then utilize his amped (http://rumblers-league.wikispaces.com/file/view/TheFirst15+Gauntlet+Pyrem+VS+LotsofFirsts+2.JPG/492929144/TheFirst15+Gauntlet+Pyrem+VS+LotsofFirsts+2.JPG) energy (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/Feats/Blast%20power/blast%202/1.jpg.html) powers (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/vulcanvshavoc.jpg.html) to obliterate Maxima, then Tempo, Manhattan, Multiple Man, and then Selene.

Pietro: At the bell, he'll teleport (the actual teleportation occurs around 2:30 in the video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksoPcEAtqp8) to about 50 feet above the opposing team, from his new location, he'll proceed to put the entire opposing team, but specifically Manhattan if something prevents him from doing the former, in a time loop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61ukTo8sRk), set to repeat whenever our own team is defeated in that specific time stream.

Juggernaut: Phase ( starts at 1:31) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ud0exkZiow) right through the mountain, while zooming forward. Once on the other side, he'll utilize his matter manipulation powers to disintegrate (seen here utilized by Doom at around 00:30) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX3PLZSxzJQ) anyone he spots, while physically ramming into them.

Part 2: Clean Up House

Allen will continue aiming himself towards enemy attacks, and Juggernaut will keep moving from enemy to enemy, while the rest of the team switches up their moves after the first round of attacks.

Arion: Casts mind entrapment spells (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Desaad/media/Arion/02-03.jpg.html) on anyone still in play, commanding the opposing team members to attack each other.

Vulcan: While maintaing the power dampening earlier described, He'll begin cutting off the energy any (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/vulcanvseldest.jpg.html) opposing team members (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/vulcanvseldest1.jpg.html)might get from external power sources, and then continue obliterating them with energy attacks.

Quicksilver: Put's his focus into maintaining the time loop, making sure no one escapes.

Contingencies:
All team members will work at their fastest, utilizing the most intense/strongest versions of their attacks.
If any opposing team members teleport to a different location than the initial starting point/make themselves hidden, team members will utilize various detection methods to locate them.
Team members will defend from opposing attacks to the best of their ability, by phasing, teleporting away, absorbing their attacks, counter spells etc
Team members will return themselves from dumps, or be retrieved by members who can return them.
Team members will heal/resurrect each other if possible
Team members will react to opposing attacks, adjusting attacks if needed

Darth Drizzle
06-02-2014, 07:38 AM
Alright let's get this League started.

Since my teams first move is to Teleport 500 meters away and in the air Arion, Quicksilver, and Doom-Vulcan all miss their targets and my team forms clones while Timestopped and then attack as planned. And as Nobody really goes after Multi-Vulcan or his army of clones their Energy/Matter/Physical Defenses protect my whole team from harm so any attack Has to get past Multi-Vulcan and nothing stops Tempo time freeze as well.

*Allen: Since he is taking the slowest route and not teleporting he will be taken out Mentally by Maxima's Clone or Dimension dumoed by her herself. The Multi-Vulcan and Dr Manhattan clone would also take him out via turning him to glass or shutting down his energy(as a clone is made for each enemy.

*Arion: He teleports and sees no one then gets 1. Mentally blasted by amped Maxima, as 2. All his energy is instantly gone via Tempo speed boosted Multi-Vulcan's mass energy drain, and 3 Dr. Manhattan explodes him with ToK/Glint fruit powers boosting his own.

*Doom-Vulcan: As he is teleported by Arion they both find nothing on arrival and Vulcan gets mentally blasted and then physically beat down by Wonder Woman+ level strength Multi-Vulcan and gets speed enhanced Superman piercing/Absolute Zero Arrows through the chest(which he cant block or stop as they aren't energy), or outright exploded by Dr Manhattan.

*Quicksilver: He teleports to find nothing on arrival then is exploded by Dr Manhattan and has a Maxima and Muti-Vulcan clone on him to trap him in a singularity, d-dump him, or trap him in Ice(which held the Thing before being massively amped).

*Silver Juggernaut: Flies through the mountain but is the slowest of the group(except Selene) and would have to face everyones clones and gets trapped in a Singularity and D-Dumped, or gets his energy drained to nothing by Maxima/Multi-Vulcan clones.

And as Multi-Vulcan can absorb massive amounts of Energy(including Magic which Thor has done dozens of times) Arions and Vulcans move would not have worked as intended. Maxima is a much higher tier and better energy Manipulator with all her boosts(including a High IQ/Smarty Pants boost via A/O Stones) then Base Vulcan and he is being Countered by Vulcan himself in a much more powerful body, so the 2 big moves against them would have been countered if they didn't teleport away to safety first.

Holacik
06-02-2014, 08:19 AM
Alright let's get this League started.

Since my teams first mive is to Teleport 500 meters away and in the air Arion, Quicksilver, and Doom-Vulcan all miss their targets and my team forms clones while Timestopped and then attack as planned. And as Nobody really goes after Multi-Vulcan or his army of clones their Energy/Matter/Physical Defenses protect my whole team from harm so any attack Has to get past Multi-Vulcan and nothing stops Tempo time freeze as well. Except that Vulcan's first move is to stop Maxima and Tempo's from using their abilities. Your team isn't going anywhere. Also, even if your timestop works Angel's walk around in timestops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDGrrECBWM




*Allen: Since he is taking the slowest route and not teleporting he will be taken out Mentally by Maxima's Clone or Dimension dumoed by her herself. The Multi-Vulcan and Dr Manhattan clone would also take him out via turning him to glass or shutting down his energy(as a clone is made for each enemy.

Turning him into glass would kill him and ressurect him. Also Maxima's mind isn't doing a whole lot.


*Arion: He teleports and sees no one then gets 1. Mentally blasted by amped Maxima, as 2. All his energy is instantly gone via Tempo speed boosted Multi-Vulcan's mass energy drain, and 3 Dr. Manhattan explodes him with ToK/Glint fruit powers boosting his own. Maxima's mental abilities are gone, tempo isn't speed boosting and Vulcan will have energy drain problems of his own.


*Doom-Vulcan: As he is teleported by Arion they both find nothing on arrival and Vulcan gets mentally blasted and then physically beat down by Wonder Woman+ level strength Multi-Vulcan and gets speed enhanced Superman piercing/Absolute Zero Arrows through the chest(which he cant block or stop as they aren't energy), or outright exploded by Dr Manhattan. I don't see ho an Energy Attack from Manhattan is going to work on a top tier energy manipulator with the mind of Doctor Doom. Telepathy? Nope (https://imageshack.com/i/nbnfrbj). Vulcan Doom being easily the better energy manipulator and the vastly superior willpower https://imageshack.com/i/n6wkklj Yeah Vulcan is getting the gauntlet and that alone will finish your team.



*Quicksilver: He teleports to find nothing on arrival then is exploded by Dr Manhattan and has a Maxima and Muti-Vulcan clone on him to trap him in a singularity, d-dump him, or trap him in Ice(which held the Thing before being massively amped). That won't work for several reasons, Angel's especially Archangel's have cosmic awareness they can locate someone anywhere (unless properly warded). So Quicksilver is popping up behind your team no matter where they are. However, let's say he doesn't. Gabriel didn't have any range restrictions on his time loop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3YlPlb1hY The majority of times that Dean dies, he isn't around. So, the time loop is happening no matter what. Throw in that Manhattan blowing up Quicksilver just isn't even happening, but let's say that it did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jPTGP4UbWA Michael get's nuked with Holy Fire, a thing that is kryptonite to Angel's and would kill them. He gets obliterated, and he comes back a few minutes later. That's something specifically designed to hurt him, Manhattan's blast would take him much much less time to come back from. Also, you make a huge mistake having Manhattan make clones. Unlike your other duplicators Manhattan actually controls them all they are not individuals so the more you make the harder it will be for him to focus. Add in the fact that the guy was pretty apathetic, I'm having a hard time seeing him do so much.



*Silver Juggernaut: Flies through the mou tain but is the slowest of the group(except Selene) and wouod have to face everyones clones and gets trapped in a Singularity and D-Dumped, or gets hus energy drained to nothing by Maxima/Multi-Vulcan clones. Energy drained? How?


And as Multi-Vulcan can absorb massive amounts of Energy(including Magic which Thor has done dozens of times) Arions and Vulcans move would not have worked as intended. Maxima is a much higher tier and better energy Manipulator with all her boosts(including a High IQ/Smarty Pants boost via A/O Stones) then Base Vulcan and he is being Countered by Vulcan himself in a much more powerful body, so the 2 big ,oves against the would have been countered if they didn't teleport away to safety first. They can't teleport as Vulcan nixes that with his brain freeze on Maxima and tempo. Then your whole strategy falls apart. Arion turns your team to apes, while QS drops them in a timeloop that they can't get out of and DoomVulcan drains your team.

Edit: Bob I already voted.

Dalak
06-02-2014, 07:48 PM
I think Bob/Hol has the slight edge here. Impulse-Vulcan is a bit faster than Wonder Woman, and even if all the first-thought abilities went off together Tempo and Maxima are fighting to do anything past the initial time affect & teleport and thus Darth's team will be caught in Quicksilver's angelic time-loop.

Now I could easily be misjudging speed feats or ignorant of effects that would allow escape from a Time Loop working with Marvel's time rules, but this is my initial impression given some time to ponder. Now I go to watch some Warehouse 13 before commenting on the other match.

Darth Drizzle
06-02-2014, 09:24 PM
If the bug hang up is speed then Maxima is fine as she has always been portrayed as Superman/Wonder Woman 8n terms of speed (http://www.comicvine.com/maxima/4005-10034/)Plus with the starting distance being around 1 mile apart Maxima can Think before Vulcan can cross the distance(Especially as Clark had time to see him as a Blur when Clark was less skilled with his powers). And finally ARION teleports Vulcan before Vulcan attacks and as his powers have never messed with someone 1 mile away he has to wait for it.

Also Allen turning to glass won't kill him, neither will the TP bolt.

For Tempo what timeloop? She is literally stopping time as the scans show and the time stop happens at Wonder Woman Thought speed and by the time Quicksilver teleports they would be cloned up and teleported again to their enemies. Quicksilver is then Frozen solid in ice, Mind blasted, or beat down by then.

Holacik
06-02-2014, 10:17 PM
If the bug hang up is speed then Maxima is fine as she has always been portrayed as Superman/Wonder Woman 8n terms of speed (http://www.comicvine.com/maxima/4005-10034/) Thanks for not posting a Maxima speed feat and for posting a bio on comicvine that i could change if I wanted to...



Plus with the starting distance being around 1 mile apart Maxima can Think before Vulcan can cross the distance(Especially as Clark had time to see him as a Blur when Clark was less skilled with his powers).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwNJtsXsWE8 Please. Clark saw what Impulse wanted him to see. He outran Clark, then let Clark catch up to him. Then when Clark went to grab him (to everyone else time was standing still) Impulse outran him and made him look bad...
And finally ARION teleports Vulcan before Vulcan attacks and as his powers have never messed with someone 1 mile away he has to wait for it.



Also Allen turning to glass won't kill him, neither will the TP bolt....What? If you turned any person into glass it wouldn't kill them? Really? Is that an argument that you really want to have?




For Tempo what timeloop? She is literally stopping time as the scans show and the time stop happens at Wonder Woman Thought speed and by the time Quicksilver teleports they would be cloned up and teleported again to their enemies. Quicksilver is then Frozen solid in ice, Mind blasted, or beat down by then....Quicksilver enhanced by the rabbit tailsman that makes him faster then your whole team, who is immune to timestops, has a resistance to mind control, and frozen in ice isn't stopping a guy who can be shot by the colt and walk away with a headache...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGqG0PAtkkg

Dalak
06-02-2014, 10:51 PM
If the bug hang up is speed then Maxima is fine as she has always been portrayed as Superman/Wonder Woman 8n terms of speed (http://www.comicvine.com/maxima/4005-10034/)Plus with the starting distance being around 1 mile apart Maxima can Think before Vulcan can cross the distance(Especially as Clark had time to see him as a Blur when Clark was less skilled with his powers). And finally ARION teleports Vulcan before Vulcan attacks and as his powers have never messed with someone 1 mile away he has to wait for it.

Also Allen turning to glass won't kill him, neither will the TP bolt.

For Tempo what timeloop? She is literally stopping time as the scans show and the time stop happens at Wonder Woman Thought speed and by the time Quicksilver teleports they would be cloned up and teleported again to their enemies. Quicksilver is then Frozen solid in ice, Mind blasted, or beat down by then.

If Vulcan can't affect people that far away with his powers then that pretty much shuts down their chances, but I'll wait to see counter arguments to that.

As for Quicksilver, there's a video posted above where weaker angels that can go back and un-sink/re-sink the Titanic also operate during a Time Stop. That brings up a 'Who's Time Juju is Greater' issue as to who can affect whom. Though PIS is on, his speed is still an issue though I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt depending on how powerful multiple boosts are. Of course, without Vulcan's move this won't matter.

Oh, for someone who doesn't know - How big is the X-Estate?

E: Geeze, I need to refresh tabs before I reply more often. Still, it seems the Vulcan question is still valid.

Estrecca
06-03-2014, 03:53 AM
For starters, I think that people might find it helpful to get a full breakdown of characters and items, so I'll start with that before giving some more thoughts later.

Darth Drizzle

Maxima(10) + Gauntlet of Altwaal(9), Alpha and Omega Stone Absorbtion(8), Aviarius Power Staff with Team Go Powers(8) & Cosmic Control Rod(8)
Multiple Man(8) + Omega Bolt of Zeus(10), Samandahl Rey's Sigil(9), Instant Transmission Training(4) & Mind of Vulcan(3)
Dr.Manhattan(9) + Touch of Khyalhtua(8) & Glint Glint Fruit(9)
Tempo(6) + Tiara of Artemis(9)
Selene(2)

Bobisbeast/Holacik

Allen the Alien Invincible (9) + Super Skrull Power Engineering: Great Lakes Avengers Set (Original Item/Marvel) 8 & Mark of Caine (World of Darkness) 7
Arion (DC) 9 + Chemical X (Powerpuff Girls) 10
Vulcan Marvel (9) + Mind switch w/Doom (3) & Accident Involving Bright Flash of Light (Smallville) 10
Quicksilver (Marvel) 7 + Rabbit Talisman (Jackie Chan) 6 & Angelic Possession - Archangel Rank (Supernatural) 8
Juggernaut (Marvel) 8 & Silver Surfer (FF movie) 8 + Potara earring (5), Other Potara Earring (DBZ) 5 & Velocity 9 (DC) 8

So, yeah, there is some mighty hefty stuff going on here and this takes a lot to think about.

Moar later.

Cleric of Hellís Brigade
06-03-2014, 04:48 AM
I do seem to recall an old Maxima feat of shooting passed Superman in a blitz, the thought bubble saying he was surprised, and catching something he was going to catch instead.

I think it was posted in a prior League, but I'm not sure.

Estrecca
06-03-2014, 05:05 AM
I do seem to recall an old Maxima feat of shooting passed Superman in a blitz, the thought bubble saying he was surprised, and catching something he was going to catch instead.

I think it was posted in a prior League, but I'm not sure.

Problem with Maxima is that she got killed during Our Worlds At War, which is right after the start of the Silver Age inspired power creep that continued right until Flashpoint. So all her feats are old, because the character hasn't been around for a goold, long while.

Nevertheless, Maxima was considered impressively fast by Superman in her early appeareances and, during the prelude to OWAW, Superman couldn't reliably blitz her from close range. This is Superman after he got some training from Mongul in high speed combat (for their joint fight against an Imperiex probe), too.

In short, somewhere in the broad kryptonian range, but towards the low end of that.

Darth Drizzle
06-03-2014, 07:14 AM
Quicksilver would derfinitely be stopped by Maxima's Freeze Rays which trapped the Thing (http://rumblers-league.wikispaces.com/Alpha+%26+Omega+Stones) before being massively amped by the Gauntlet of Altwaal so he isn't going anywhere.

And my strat also says that he gets trapped in a Cosmic Singularity (http://rumblers-league.wikispaces.com/file/view/RuneII1_Annihilus_Opens_Cosmic_Singularity.jpg) as well, and Multi-Vulcan with amped Wonder Woman strength can beat him down an drain all his energy as well(Asgardian "Gods" energy has been drained by Thor so any holy or demonic energy would easily be drained).

Tempos timestop allows her team movement so even if someone immune to Timestops enters they would instantly be taken out by my whole team on arrival. And she doesn't hold the timestop the whole fight as she switchrs to speed boosts so my plan has nothing to do with prolonged timestops just the initial teleport move and thoughtspeed clone making.

Maximas TP is undersold here as nothing really stops her Opening Mental Psi-Bolts or stops her from shutting down their minds(Doom/Juggs could Fight it but not no sell it like it's nothing ad they wouod be taken out as planned by others).

Darth Drizzle
06-03-2014, 07:47 AM
Apparently my very late night post was misspelled and had the wrong link.

Here is her displaying her speed for Superman. (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/3/33599/931832-maxima_superspeed_651_panel_pg09.jpg) The pic might be small but the Link in my earlier post which shows her Profile has the Same Picture in lqrge scale if you want to view it.

The MunchKING
06-03-2014, 11:28 AM
...What? If you turned any person into glass it wouldn't kill them? Really? Is that an argument that you really want to have?

For certain powers it works that way. The Omgea Bolts for example did something like that.

But aside from "how the powers work exactly", how is he killing people with it? His strat said he'd only transmute NON-Organic stuff?

Dalak
06-03-2014, 11:37 AM
I'm still waiting to see if Vulcan can/can't affect folks 1km away, but if that answer is No then I'm leaning Darth at this point.

Tami
06-03-2014, 01:07 PM
So far the two teams seem to be pretty closely matched. Don't have any questions yet, still considering both strats.

Bobisbeast
06-03-2014, 03:10 PM
I'm still waiting to see if Vulcan can/can't affect folks 1km away, but if that answer is No then I'm leaning Darth at this point.

Vulcan can definitely manipulate/detect energy on a long range scale. Here's what he can do while not under full power,

He takes out the engines of multiple spaceships (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/3.jpg.html), and then later connects to the furthest ships communications center instantly (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/5.jpg.html)

This may not exactly be a kilometer away, the panels are very vague in distance, but certainly show he can manipulate energy from a distance.
Here are the two (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/1.jpg.html) pages prior to the first sca (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/2.jpg.html)n, to show more context of the distance between Vulcan and the ships.

Furthermore, in an entirely different situation, Vulcan was able to control (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/misc/kills%20banshee/1.jpg.html) the systems of the X-men's Blackbird (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/misc/kills%20banshee/2.jpg.html) from some non-disclosed location. (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/misc/kills%20banshee/4.jpg.html)
Vulcan should have no problem pulling off his energy manipulation from a kilometers distance.

Darth Drizzle
06-03-2014, 03:41 PM
Messing with Star Ship's is vastly different from what you have Vulcan doing here. If Vulcan could mess with people from those distances he would be nigh unstoppable and he has never messed with any opponents energies from that distance. Hell I have used Vulcan and the same scans you posted in 2 different Leagues and they were all shot down so I know how you are feeling:)

Maxima with her powers is FAR above Vulcan and my teams Multi Vulcan is FAR aboce him as well and nothing stops him or his Many clones from countering either. He is simply overmatched here.

The MunchKING
06-03-2014, 03:58 PM
Besides, VULCAN may or may not really be that good, but that's not Vulcan. So how good are the items he's using to replicate Vulcan's powers for range and accuracy??

Bobisbeast
06-03-2014, 04:23 PM
The most pressing issue for Darth's team is that Quicksilver isn't going to be expected to be able function in a time stop, which as previously shown, he most certainly is. While Darth's team is being teleported, making clones, and teleporting to where the rest of my team is (Speaking of that, has the CCR or Maxima even shown the capabilities to teleport large groups like that?) , Quicksilver is only teleporting and then activating his time loop, which effectively creates another time stream, more or less. At the very least Manhattan should be stuck in it.
Additionally, Allen is being very much underestimated here, I don't have the scans on hand (Hola does), but he's a significant portion of light speed, will make any enemies attack be forced upon them sevenfold, and can resurrect from any death within a matter of seconds. So that mental attack that Maxima is doing right as one of her first actual attacks is going to hurt her a lot more than it will Allen, same with any other attacks that's done at the onset towards Allen. D-dumping is really the only way out in this situation, and the CCR's capabilities for such aren't instant, and aren't Maxima's first method of attack.
I'll have another post ready later, but here are just a couple more thoughts on the battle at hand.

Darth Drizzle
06-03-2014, 05:33 PM
Nothing Hinges on my time stop and it's largely not needed as no attacks are coming at them(as they teleport away)

So my teams actions are teleport(at thought speed), then clones(at thought speed), then teleport again in 3 masse then attack the locations provided by Telepathy Clone Maxima.

And as Vulcan/Arion's moves don't counter the MUCH more powerful Multi-Vulcan ' at the start him and his clones drain him and Doom - Vulcan without problems( and is hard to track/find via SR Sigil powers cloaking his presence).

Also Maxima telepathy takes care of Allen and Quicksilver and if not the Singularity will, or a bunch of Multi Men 2 I'll drain him as they beat him down or transmute his clothes to bind him or a other ways. My point is Quicksilver and Allen while hard to defeat can be here with the number of moves used against him.

MunchKing: Multi-Vulcan on My team has energy manipulation on the level of Thor (Way above base Vulcan) AND Samandahl Rey's Sigil which has better Destructive feats than Vulcan in numerous ways and is incredibly powerful as well (has planet level feats) both boosting him, and then he has the Mind of Vulcan who knows how to handle all energy. So yes even though he is not Vulcan his item boosts put him on a whole different tier than base Vulcan(which my opponent has.)

Boosted Quicksilver won't be outpacing

Holacik
06-03-2014, 05:57 PM
The big issue that keeps getting swept under the rung is that Maxima isn't anywhere near as fast as she has been toted. We keep hearing she as fast as Superman/Wonder Woman but the only feat that is pulled out is her being faster then Superman early in Post-Crisis. That's not going to help here. Quicksilver being amped by the Rabbit tailsman is going to be crazy faster. Then even if Tempo timestops (she won't) Quicksilver is not going to be affected which means that time shenanigans are going to happen and that alone spells disaster for Darth.

The Rabbit Tailsman:

Powers/function: The rabbit talisman's magic power is superspeed, so a human holding it can move and react at many times the speed of a normal individual and with apparently unlimited stamina. The best speed feat done with this item is Jade Chan running from San Francisco, California, to Cape Canaveral, Florida, in a matter of minutes, which suggests speeds in the order of mach 20 (JCA 2x7 Shanghai Moon).
However, the speedboosting properties of the rabbit aren't limited to living beings and can also be used to make vehicles faster. For example, the rabbit power has been used to increase the speed of a van (JCA 3x13 Re-Enter The Dragon) and to boost the engines of the Space Shuttle enough to reach the Moon in a few seconds (JCA 2x7 Shanghai Moon), despite the space shuttle not being designed to fly beyond Earth's orbit or to move at a non-insignificant fraction of the speed of light. Yeah Quicksilver is probably the fastest guy in the league.

Dalak
06-03-2014, 06:57 PM
Vulcan can definitely manipulate/detect energy on a long range scale. Here's what he can do while not under full power,

He takes out the engines of multiple spaceships (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/3.jpg.html), and then later connects to the furthest ships communications center instantly (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/5.jpg.html)

This may not exactly be a kilometer away, the panels are very vague in distance, but certainly show he can manipulate energy from a distance.
Here are the two (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/1.jpg.html) pages prior to the first sca (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/2.jpg.html)n, to show more context of the distance between Vulcan and the ships.

Furthermore, in an entirely different situation, Vulcan was able to control (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/misc/kills%20banshee/1.jpg.html) the systems of the X-men's Blackbird (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/misc/kills%20banshee/2.jpg.html) from some non-disclosed location. (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/misc/kills%20banshee/4.jpg.html)
Vulcan should have no problem pulling off his energy manipulation from a kilometers distance.


Messing with Star Ship's is vastly different from what you have Vulcan doing here. If Vulcan could mess with people from those distances he would be nigh unstoppable and he has never messed with any opponents energies from that distance. Hell I have used Vulcan and the same scans you posted in 2 different Leagues and they were all shot down so I know how you are feeling:)

Maxima with her powers is FAR above Vulcan and my teams Multi Vulcan is FAR aboce him as well and nothing stops him or his Many clones from countering either. He is simply overmatched here.

Well I don't remember shooting down these scans, and the distances involved are well over 1km. I'll hold off voting for another hour or 2 because the debate is beginning to happen and I'm not quite sure where I stand now.

Holacik
06-03-2014, 07:12 PM
Post 7;

The problem that Darth has is that Maxima is teleporting her team, which means that happens as fast as she can think. There are three guys on my team that are all going to be faster then her. QS amped by the Rabbit Tailsman, Vulcan amped by Impulse speed (the guy who put's Smallville Clark's speed to shame), and Arion being amped by Chemical X. Vulcan is getting teleported with Arion which means he will be right behind them when he shuts their powers off. Arion then turns them to apes, while QS seals the deal with a time loop.

With that said, we have proven that range isn't an issue with QS's time loops, Range isn't an issue with Vulcan (energy manipulation is the same power, not sure why we are quantifying the guys power). Both off which really hurts Darth's team.