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Jcogginsa
08-19-2015, 04:59 PM
Aquaman takes on Leviathan, the endbringer from Worm

For fairness, this battle will occur twice.

Once will be with the Post Crisis Aquaman

The other will be the Nu52 Aquaman

Sharkerbob
08-19-2015, 05:43 PM
Unless Aquaman packs some heavy-duty magic relics as a standard, there's nothing he'll be able to do to the Endbringer. He's strong, but not strong enough to significantly damage a creature so dense the rules of physics break down the deeper into it's body you go.

Melchior
08-19-2015, 10:35 PM
Actually, the scary thing is this would be the last known version of Leviathan... which is the one that moves at more than mach speed underwater and has nanothorn blades coming from its arms. How is Arthur's durability against monomolecular blades?

Slade1
08-20-2015, 12:36 PM
Does Leviathan have any TP resistance feats?

Melchior
08-20-2015, 12:57 PM
Does Leviathan have any TP resistance feats?

No, but that is more because there is no actual telepathy in Worm. The best known telepath, the Simurgh, performs the feat by massive calculation, incredible precognition and postcognition, and by literally rewiring the brain neuron by neuron and moving chemicals as needed.

It should also be noted that Leviathan is probably an artificial construct with no "brain" type processing center in the same dimension as its body. There is a real, non-zero chance that there is no brain to hit.

Does Aquamon have many feats for hitting mach-level speedsters? I am not familiar enough with the character to know myself.

Sharkerbob
08-20-2015, 03:59 PM
I almost forgot about the nanothorn blades. Even without them, though, Endbringers do not tire, they continue fighting until they are damaged enough to feel like retreating, and even then, can still fight back with full functionality. Even if Aquaman could manage to tank or dodge punches and water slashes, he'll eventually tire, and then Leviathan has him dead to rights. Aquaman is a quick swimmer due to strength, but he's not a speedster by any means. Leviathan definitely has the speed edge, underwater at least, so he likely pounds Aquaman in a series of rushes, even without the blades.

Note that Aquaman's telepathy seems to depend on specific brain structures to affect. His ability to shut down Martian brains, for example, necessitates targeting a specific lobe inherited from their marine ancestors. Endbringers do not have brains, but a core of crystalline matter so dense that it warps normal physics, and required the hax of Scion to actually destroy. The aquatic theme of Leviathan is superficial and/or elemental. There's nothing for Aquaman to tap into.

beatboks
08-21-2015, 06:22 AM
Aquamn is vastly more than "mach speed" in the water himslef. His best speed feat (pre 52) was swimming across the atlantic and back again before a concorde made the trip one way. A concord I beleive flies at mach 2.3 so that makes his speed around mach 4.6

Also his TP hasnt always relied on "specific brain functions " at all. He has feats of telepathically affecting dimensiona l entities who MMH couldnt, other aliens who arent "evolved from sea life" , and many many more. Hes used his TP to sense the attacks of snipers

I dont know leviathan so cant really comment on the battle but mach speed is not an advantage over Arthur, mach 5 maybe just but not less.

Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh
08-21-2015, 08:49 AM
Travel speed =/= reaction speed

Slade1
08-21-2015, 09:36 AM
Travel speed =/= reaction speed

This is definitely true but when it comes to swimming (or running) it's a bit different. As you are using your arms and legs at that same speed to swim. You can't swim at Mach speed if you can't consciously move your arms and legs fast enough.

Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh
08-21-2015, 09:51 AM
This is definitely true but when it comes to swimming (or running) it's a bit different. As you are using your arms and legs at that same speed to swim. You can't swim at Mach speed if you can't consciously move your arms and legs fast enough.

This is comics, fam.

Captain Morgan
08-21-2015, 12:37 PM
Does the thing he's fighting have Mach reaction time feats or just travel?

Not that it seems to matter given what is being said about it, but all that was mentioned it is moved at Mach speeds underwater.

Estrecca
08-21-2015, 12:57 PM
Does the thing he's fighting have Mach reaction time feats or just travel?

Not that it seems to matter given what is being said about it, but all that was mentioned it is moved at Mach speeds underwater.

The description given by the author in the context of a versus of the Endbringers against the Justice League.

Leviathan is the middle child. He's fast enough that he can run on the surface of water, despite weighing something like 9 tons, and beneath the water's surface he's so fast as to essentially be a teleporter (assume faster than Superman, slower than the Flash on level terrain). He's accompanied by a water echo, which mirrors his movements and produces vast amounts of water, which he uses as a hydrokinetic. His main weapon, however, is macro-scale hydrokinesis. He has leveled Newfoundland and the Kyuushu islands of Japan. Each wave is stronger than the last. He can and will play keep-away (keep in mind that he's effectively a speedster) while calling tsunami-like waves over to crush a city or landmass.

Marvel-Studios Rep
08-21-2015, 08:11 PM
Current Aquaman can swim at mach speeds underwater and reacts to torpedo's + swim in zigzags to blitzs ataleteon faster than they can react. With his trident, I doubt very much he's have issues by passing whatever this blade thing the creature has. But if the thing can throw around island leveling waves, it's a bit too much for Aquaman in the long run.

Jcogginsa
08-21-2015, 11:55 PM
Current Aquaman can swim at mach speeds underwater and reacts to torpedo's + swim in zigzags to blitzs ataleteon faster than they can react. With his trident, I doubt very much he's have issues by passing whatever this blade thing the creature has. But if the thing can throw around island leveling waves, it's a bit too much for Aquaman in the long run.

To be clear, Leviathan doesn't insta-destroy islands, it's more of a gradual process

beatboks
08-22-2015, 04:06 AM
The description given by the author in the context of a versus of the Endbringers against the Justice League.

Leviathan is the middle child. He's fast enough that he can run on the surface of water, despite weighing something like 9 tons, and beneath the water's surface he's so fast as to essentially be a teleporter (assume faster than Superman, slower than the Flash on level terrain). He's accompanied by a water echo, which mirrors his movements and produces vast amounts of water, which he uses as a hydrokinetic. His main weapon, however, is macro-scale hydrokinesis. He has leveled Newfoundland and the Kyuushu islands of Japan. Each wave is stronger than the last. He can and will play keep-away (keep in mind that he's effectively a speedster) while calling tsunami-like waves over to crush a city or landmass.

Based on this he does have a huge speed advantage. Earlier posrs simply mentioned mach speed and speed of sound wouldnt be an advantage but what you describe is vastly greater than that.

Also it Sounds like the power of his attacks is above what Arthur can tank. He has (pre52) tanked building collapsing on him, point blank plasma blasts small caliber weapons and magic blasts. Nothing on the destructive level you've described though.

Siriel
08-22-2015, 10:23 AM
Wildbow's statements don't particularly count as feats as far as Leviathan's speed (since he never really shows the speed that most of the versions of Superman have). I'm pretty sure Estrecca posted that since it establishes that Leviathan reacts at the speed he moves.

Melchior
08-23-2015, 09:48 PM
I was mostly stating mach speeds because that is what is generally known/shown. Leviathan probably went full speed toward the end, but there really were no good witnesses to that.

As for sinking Kyushu and Newfoundland, that was done over a significant portion of a day by ever-increasing tidal waves and currents. I am not seeing that taking out Aquaman unless they start hurling him into the God-Proof forcefield until he breaks.

On an additional note, thank you for the speed references for Aquaman!