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Tami
06-11-2014, 10:53 AM
Rumbler's League - Week Two

The MunchKING (http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3501-Rumbler-s-League-2014-Spring-Summer-Team-Reference&p=93488&viewfull=1#post93488)

Impulse (Young Justice) (10); Final Fantasy Job Mastery - Water Crystal (Final Fantasy V) (8); Ultimate Mario Hat (OI/Mario Brothers Series) (8); Final Fantasy Job Mastery - Generic (Final Fantasy Tactics) 8
Rush (Mega Man) (4); Collar of Cerberus (Items of Olympus/OC item) (9); Reality Stabilization Suit (Custom) (Captain SNES) (9); Zettabyte of Internet Data (Real World) 1
Yuna Akashi (Negima! Magister Negi Magi) 2; Ultimate Mega Gun (OI/Mega Man Series) 8; Symbiote, Venom (Marvel) 5; Ring of Universal Energy Immunity (3.5 D&D) 5; Darkwing Duck's Utility Gun (Darkwing Duck) 3; Vial of Guardian Virus (Order of the Stick: Start of Darkness) 9; Fart in a Jar, x10 (Saints Row: The Third) 4; Spray Can of Bad Breath (Final Fantasy) 4; Fear Gas (DC) 6
Chachazero (Negima! Magister Negi Magi) 2; Weaponer Forged Weapon (Anime Blade) 4; Malachite's Hand (Suburban Knights) 5
Merlin (Amber) 6


Vs

Estrecca (http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?3501-Rumbler-s-League-2014-Spring-Summer-Team-Reference&p=93770&viewfull=1#post93770)

Doctor Strangefate (Amalgam Comics) 10 (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/strngfte.htm); Exposure to Intrinsic Field Subtractor (Watchmen Movie) 9 (http://watchmen.wikia.com/wiki/Jon_Osterman#Powers_and_abilities) (internalized); X-Kryptonite (DC) 8 (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/X-Kryptonite#X-Kryptonite) (internalized); Cat Cat Fruit: Leopard Model (One Piece) 5 (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Neko_Neko_no_Mi,_Model:_Leopard)
Eradicator (DC) 10 (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Eradicator_%28New_Earth%29); Gold Pocket Watch (The Girl, the Gold Watch & Everything) 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl,_the_Gold_Watch_%26_Everything)
Marvel Girl (Rachel Summers) (Marvel) 9 (http://marvel.wikia.com/Rachel_Summers_%28Earth-811%29); Bloodaxe (Marvel) 7 (http://marvel.wikia.com/Bloodaxe_%28Enchanted_Axe%29); Banshee (Marvel) 6 (http://marvel.wikia.com/Banshee_%28Mutant_Growth_Hormone%29) ; Phoenix Sword (Marvel) 6 (http://marvel.wikia.com/Blade_of_the_Phoenix)
Naruto (Naruto) 9 (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki); Amulet of Isis (DC) 9 (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Adrianna_Tomaz); Wand of Watoomb, The (Marvel) 8 (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/wandofwatoomb.htm) (fused); Source Symbiote (Charmed) 7 (http://charmed.wikia.com/wiki/The_Source_of_All_Evil); Acme Item Fusion Potion (Quest for Camelot) 3 (http://youtu.be/-zqWJ4zfhOI?t=1m55s)
Teela (Masters of the Universe) 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teela#He-Man_and_the_Masters_of_the_Universe_.281983_series .29); Angelic Possession - Seraph Rank (Supernatural) 7 (http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Seraphs)



Arena: OUTSIDE STAR LABS (http://rumblers-league.wikispaces.com/Outside+S.T.A.R+Labs)

Rules:


No Posting or Voting during the 1st hour and the last hour of this match
No Posting Non-Debate posts here unless absolutely necessary. Non-debate Posts should be posted in the Discussion Thread. If you must absolutely post one, please mark it as a Non-debate post to avoid confusion. No more than 4 MAX allowed in this thread.
Each Team gets 12 Debate Posts
If no Strategy is Submitted, its' a automatic Void and a Win for their opponent.
Two-Player Teams, only one can vote for their team.

Tami
06-11-2014, 11:03 AM
Team The MunchKING


The Might of the MunchKING
Speed Run (Cost: 34)
Impulse (Young Justice comics) 10
Final Fantasy Job Mastery - Water Crystal (Final Fantasy V) (8), Ultimate Mario Hat (OI/Mario Brothers Series) (8), Final Fantasy Job Mastery - Generic (Final Fantasy Tactics) 8

Rush, the Three-Headed Hound Of Mechanus (Cost 23)
Rush - all non-adapter functions unlocked (Mega Man) (4), Collar of Cerberus (Items of Olympus/OC item) (9), Reality Stabilization Suit (Custom) (Captain SNES) (9), Zettabyte of Internet Data (Real World) 1

We Are Mega Venom the  Kid (Cost 44)
Yuna Akashi (Negima! Magister Negi Magi) 2
Ultimate Mega Gun (OI/Mega Man Series) 8, Symbiote, Venom (Marvel) 5, Ring of Universal Energy Immunity (3.5 D&D) 5,Darkwing Duck's Utility Gun (Darkwing Duck) 3, Vial of Guardian Virus (Order of the Stick: Start of Darkness) 9, Fart in a Jar, x10 (Saints Row: The Third) 4, Spray Can of Bad Breath (Final Fantasy) 4, Fear Gas (DC) 6

The Doll of Death (Cost: 11)
Chachazero (Negima! Magister Negi Magi) 2
Weaponer Forged Weapon (Anime Blade) 4, Malachite's Hand (Suburban Knights) 5

Merlin of Amber And The Courts (Cost: 6)
Merlin (Amber) 6

Vs.


Doctor Strangefate (Amalgam Comics) 10
+Exposure to Intrinsic Field Subtractor (Watchmen Movie) 9 (internalized)
+X-Kryptonite (DC) 8 (internalized)
+Cat Cat Fruit: Leopard Model (One Piece) 5 (internalized)

Eradicator (DC) 10
+Gold Pocket Watch (The Girl, the Gold Watch & Everything) 4

Marvel Girl (Rachel Summers) (Marvel) 9
+Bloodaxe (Marvel) 7
+Banshee (Marvel) 6 (internalized)
+Phoenix Sword (Marvel) 6 (partially internalized)

Naruto (Naruto) 9
+Amulet of Isis (DC) 9
+Wand of Watoomb, The (Marvel) 8 (fused)
+Source Symbiote (Charmed) 7
+Acme Item Fusion Potion (Quest for Camelot) 3

Teela (Masters of the Universe) 3
+Angelic Possession - Seraph Rank (Supernatural) 7

Impulse: So wait... You’re telling me everyone thinks Superman and Batman are BAD guys? And they’ve got a bunch of REAL Bad guys trying to catch them? We gotta save them!

MK: Well, yes. But you can do that best by stopping THESE people. They’re a lot more powerful and will do a lot worse to Superman than Captain Cold or Captain Fricking Boomerang could. And I know those guys are actual Flash villains.

Impulse: *blushes* I could take Captain Cold.

MK: No doubt. But then So can Superman. Save them from the REAL threat, then you can go for the bonus points upside the B-listers’ heads. OK? I know I’m asking a lot out of you but you HAVE TO FOCUS. Rush, program Data-bomb.exe. Run!

Rush: Woof!

MK: Merlin, try to smash ‘em as hard as you can. We need to make sure they don’t have time to THINK straight. Chachazero, go show that broad from an American cartoon what a REAL warrior can do. :D

Chachazero: *grins as she strokes her long sword* You’ve got it! Ackackackack…

MK: Alright Try to keep your head on your shoulders, and lets WIN this one!! For the Good Guys!

******************************************

Alright, so Impulse’s first move needs to be to insure his team’s ability to contribute meaningfully to the rest of the match. So first he should use Dualcast (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dualcast#Final_Fantasy_V) to get both a Break (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Spellblade_(Final_Fantasy_V)) and Carbuncle (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Summon_(Final_Fantasy_V)#Carbuncle) off. Carbunkle’s Ruby Light will make his team Reflect Magic, so if Dr. StrangeFate tries any shenanigans, they will bounce back and hit him.

As I’ve said before (http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?5538-Rumbler-s-League-Week-One-The-MunchKING-Vs-Dalak&p=163063&viewfull=1#post163063), Amalgamating all the powers of the Final Fantasy Tactics gives an abomination far more powerful than anything actually IN the game. So how he was going to beat a Pre-Crisis Superkitty Speedblitz? By having a power that lets him go first anyway if StrangeFate attacks him. As we all know, Precrisis Kryptonians are CRAZY weak to Magic, so even if StrageFate would normally be resistant to being turned to stone magically the Kryptonite should make it a lot worse for him. (And Break on a weapon never fails to turn someone to stone unless they are immune, so yeah, Resistance wouldn’t help. Only immunity.) If Dr. StrangeFate DOESN’T attack him, then Impulse can just punch him anyway and turn him to stone. Then of course he can move on to the whole “defeating everyone else” thing.

And if StrangeFate tries to fuse Impulse with anyone and claims it’s NOT Magic or an attack, I’ll point out that when Impulse got fused to become part of Infinity Man (http://ctrla.lt/comiclash/images/Young-Justice_029_Vol1998_DC-Comics__ComiClash.jpg) he was only one part in five, and yet he still managed to make his personality a dominant part of the sum. Thus Impulse should still be on my team even fused.


As for the others, Well we’ve got some serious power to throw their way. Yuna will gas the opposing team with the Guardian Virus, forcing them to shut down any magic they have up and then lobotomizing the parts of the brain that cast magic.

“But wait!” I hear you say. “Impulse is using magic! Won’t your attack screw with him too?” To which I say, “Of course not you silly, silly people. Do you think I would use an attack if there was the slightest chance of Friendly Fire? No. The Mario hat not only provides forms that don’t have to breathe, like the Metal Cap (http://www.mariowiki.com/Metal_Mario_(form)#Super_Mario_64) from Mario 64, but JUST IN CASE there was a space-suit version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWj3pLRA9r4) from Super Mario Land 2. There’s no WAY he’ll suck down the Gas.”

Chachazero will show Teela that even the third best Masters of the Universe character is no match for a halfway competent fighting anime character. Naruto would ALMOST be as much of a hassle as Negi, so she’ll take him on with the backup.

Fortunately we have backup. Merlin can hit Naruto with the Cardiac Arrest spell, he’s been hanging on to since Book 2, and he can use the Spikard to rip the Eradicator down to a skeleton and rebuild him in a form more loyal to him. Or blast them with force and blow out whatever Neural system they have with a direct Taser.

Yuna Snipes people with the Fear Gas and Bad Breath, doing all kinds of horrible status effect to them.

And Rush, he gets the fun part. He turns into a flying, three headed, fire breathing, 30 foot Skate board (http://cincodurostresvidas.es/wp-content/images/articles/marcianitos/megaman3/rush_jet.jpg) and fly over the S.T.A.R. base. As the other team shouldn’t have Magnet missiles or Gemini-Stars, He should be able to tank anything they can throw at him. As such it will be HIS job to distract every one and keep them from hitting Impulse or Merlin. He can do this by using his hologram projector thingie he uses to relay messages from Doctor Light. But instead he’ll be using it to broadcast data from the Internet (which he has in his robot brain) that would be humiliating or distracting to the opponents so as to get them to focus on him and with direct attacks that won’t hurt him. Like seriously, this costume is pretty darn stripperific (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/269/7/0/Rachel_Summers_by_G_Blair_by_Mythical_Mommy.jpg). What would Superman say if he saw you wearing THAT Young Lady? Naruto Crying like a little girl (http://media0.giphy.com/media/4NuAILyDbmD16/giphy.gif)? Captain Cold will find THAT hilarious.

So in the face of this complete morale breakdown, and tricky psychological tricks, as well as Impulse going around turning the other team to stone, and Merlin messing them up hardcore, Estreeca’s team should not only be beaten, but we should have plenty of time to save Batman and Superman too. :D

Of course everyone fights intelligently. Ghost Wheel or Merlin can recover us from D-Dumps, Impulse has time magic (and Dispel) to deal with time shenanigans, etc. And if it lasts until the cavalry shows up, I'm the one with an actual DC hero on my team who can be like "we were totally saving Superman, come help us out!" and bam! We get the animated versions of Captain Atom, Power Girl, Major Force, Katana, Black Lightning and Starfire helping us pound Esterecca's team down.

Tami
06-11-2014, 11:06 AM
Team Estrecca

PRE-MATCH

"Are we ready?"

"Nope!"

"Nabu, deliver me from idiots," muttered the first voice, before replying in a louder voice. "What is the problem THIS time?"

"Your plan. It is bad. Terrible, even. I am not going to drop a beast ball right as we appear and kill everyone in the area. I don't mind that they will be revived as soon as we win and leave. I don't mind that that's the best way to deal with their quick guy. I am not going to do it and that's that."

Kid has a point. If we can do this without risking killing a Kal-El, I say that we try that.

"I'd rather avoid mass murder, too. Bad enough seeing the Professor planning it."

"What was that, Miss Grey?"

"I am with Naruto and David. Plan needs reworking."

"Very well. Do you have anything to add, angel?"

"The plan will surely unfold according to the designs of the Almighty. I shall not tamper with the workings of destiny. What will be, will be."

"... Noted."

PRELIMINARY MUSINGS

Regarding the arena...

David Connor, the human scientist that fused with the Eradicator, used to work for STAR Labs. Moreover, he was Superman's sort of friend. This sort of thing and its potential impact in the in-fight behaviour has to be acknowledged.

At the same time, Impulse also might feel that he has to help Superman. For all that the kid was a doofus in the timeframe Munch is using, I'd expect him to have at least some level of proprietary emotion about the few members of the Rogues throwing down here.

Regarding speed...

Except for Impulse, I am pretty sure that the rest of Munch's team is a fair bit below (most?) of my team in speed. That helps.

Regarding enemy tactics...

His items give Impulse such a wide array of powers that anticipating stuff that he might do is wasted effort. He can do clones, he can do intangibility, he can do invisibility, he can do... any number of things, really.

I hope that he tries to use the Guardian Virus, however. Debating that would be amusing.

GENERIC DISCLAIMERS

Standard contingencies (common sense, mutual assistance, returning from any form of ringout when possible and such) are in effect for the fight.

Priority target list: Impulse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yuna Akashgi >= Merlin >>> Rush > NPC villains >= Things summoned by the other team > Chachazero.


FIGHT 2 - Starfall

Strangefate
I) Will generally focus in magically negating Impulse's actions to the best of his ability, while staying outside of Bart's range and protecting the rest of the team. In order to do this, Strangefate will make enough of himself to outnumber in every moment however many Impulses there may be in the battlefield.
II) At least one Strangefate (and any more that happen to be available) will focus his efforts in magically merging Impulse with a fellow time displaced hero from the future (that would be Rachel) in order to create Rachel Allen, a superfast telepath who receives her powers from the Falcon Force.
III) Half the Strangefates will then concentrate their efforts in negating Merlin's magic, while the other half beats him black and blue. Once he is down, they will move on following the priority list.

Rachel Allen
Will use her speed and mental powers to put an end to the fighting by koing both the enemy team and assorted evildoers.

Eradicator
I) Aware of his target's location thanks to cosmic awareness, Eradicator will attack the mind of Impulse using torquasm vo techniques, in order to delay him some.
II) Afterwards, Eradicator will teleport or portal to the location of any remaining enemies, freeze time with the watch and attack the time frozen enemies directly, focusing in any that haven't been engaged by other members of the team. In the particular case of Rush, should the dog prove resistant to other stuff, he'll send him to the Phantom Zone.
III) Eradicator will then go help Superman and Batman against the army of villains,

Naruto
I) Naruto will start making five shadow clones, four of which will then transform into the other members of the team, and teleport the whole team away (leaving the clones behind)
II) A few (4) more clones will be made and kept operating at Kryptonian level speeds by getting extra magic juice from the Wand of Watoomb.
IIIa) Naruto Clone 1 will use the powers of the Source to make the whole team invisible and disguise their location through various magical means, such as illusions.
IIIb) Naruto Clone 2 will use the nature control powers of Isis to harass the other team and the villains from a safe distance.
IIIc) Naruto Clone 3 will put up around the team an invisible shield that combines the magics of the Wand of Watoomb and the Source to send any energy attacks back to sender.
IIId) Naruto Clone 4 will provide one-way portals opened with the powers of the Wand of Watoomb for the rest of the team to launch their attacks.
IIIe) Naruto Prime will try to control Yuna Akashi in order to make her attack Rush with weapons capable of overcoming the RSS.

Rachel Summers
I) Extremely well shielded by the blue Phoenix, Rachel will start with a large scale telepathic assault against the enemy team with the aim of mind controlling those enemies which is within her ability to dominate and, failing that, hide the team from the senses of the opponents vulnerable to her telepathy.
II) After her initial move, she'll probably be fused with Impulse, but in case that doesn't happen, she'll mostly concentrate in defense, raising telekinetic shields around the team, negating enemy TK/psionics, sending energy blasts back to sender and the like. She won't move away from the team, in any case, in order to protect them with her temporal shield.

Teela
I) She will make herself invisible and teleport behind the position of the enemy team.
II) Still under invisibility, Teela's angel will approach any time frozen enemies and send them as far back or as far forward in time as feasible. Alternatively, if it appears a better choice and arena conditions allow it, said enemies will be sent to some other dimension.
III) The seraph will then aim to cripple other enemies to the best of its ability, be it through memory manipulation, more time/dimension dumps, removal of vital organs, disruption/removal of electronic components, smiting and the like.
IV) The angel is also the go-to guy for support purposes. He'll recover characters from dumps (particularly temporal dumps) when needed, heal injured allies (if no one else is busy) and generally make very sure that the local monsters don't cramp our style. This is particularly relevant if status inflicting gases are deployed or the Guardian Virus proves troublesome.

The MunchKING
06-11-2014, 02:30 PM
PRELIMINARY MUSINGS

Regarding the arena...

David Connor, the human scientist that fused with the Eradicator, used to work for STAR Labs. Moreover, he was Superman's sort of friend. This sort of thing and its potential impact in the in-fight behaviour has to be acknowledged.

Really? I thought the Eradicator was totally robotic. Dang. There goes my "impulse is the only DC hero" thing.


At the same time, Impulse also might feel that he has to help Superman. For all that the kid was a doofus in the timeframe Munch is using, I'd expect him to have at least some level of proprietary emotion about the few members of the Rogues throwing down here.

Indeed as I pointed out, he did kinda look up to Superman, and I'll bet he's been told about all the Flash villains at the least.

Fortunately as he knew very little about Supergirl, I'm guessing he REALLY won't know anything about the Eradicator, and thus believe me that your team is more of a threat to Superman than Captain Boomerang could DREAM of being.


Regarding speed...

Except for Impulse, I am pretty sure that the rest of Munch's team is a fair bit below (most?) of my team in speed. That helps.

Annoying as it is to admit, that is mostly true.

ChachaZero was keeping up with Negi up until his Lightning God form, so she's pretty fast, and Yuna got a "contemptuously faster than bullet-time" feat in her last fight, and that's before she gets the multiplicative boost of the Venom Symbiote.

While she's no PC Streaky, she should still be faster than Marvel Girl or Teela, and possibly faster than Naruto unless he has some really good reaction time feats.


Regarding enemy tactics...

His items give Impulse such a wide array of powers that anticipating stuff that he might do is wasted effort. He can do clones, he can do intangibility, he can do invisibility, he can do... any number of things, really.

Now I'll have to reread it, but I thought he lost the clone power after one of them died in Apocalypse.

EDIT: no, he had them for the rest of his series, how DID he lose them??


I hope that he tries to use the Guardian Virus, however. Debating that would be amusing.

Wish. GRANTED. :p

No Magic for You.


FIGHT 2 - Starfall

Strangefate
I) Will generally focus in magically negating Impulse's actions to the best of his ability, while staying outside of Bart's range and protecting the rest of the team. In order to do this, Strangefate will make enough of himself to outnumber in every moment however many Impulses there may be in the battlefield.

The Blessing of Carbuncle means his magical counters will be more or less useless.


II) At least one Strangefate (and any more that happen to be available) will focus his efforts in magically merging Impulse with a fellow time displaced hero from the future (that would be Rachel) in order to create Rachel Allen, a superfast telepath who receives her powers from the Falcon Force.

OH!! Somebody better pick up the phone because I fricking CALLED IT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsqmU3v0hVA) :D

Looks like I get to claim the powers of the Marvel Girl and all her assets (wink wink) In defeating you.


III) Half the Strangefates will then concentrate their efforts in negating Merlin's magic, while the other half beats him black and blue. Once he is down, they will move on following the priority list.

Fortunately Once Strangefate is turned to stone, and his magic is shut down, and all those other anti-him counters I threw at it, his magic clones should be no more.


Rachel Allen
Will use her speed and mental powers to put an end to the fighting by koing both the enemy team and assorted evildoers.

I totally agree. Fortunately s/he thinks your team is the villains.


Eradicator
I) Aware of his target's location thanks to cosmic awareness, Eradicator will attack the mind of Impulse using torquasm vo techniques, in order to delay him some.

Yeah, telepath's have tried that before. It usually ends with them going "oh no his mind is to wild and chaotic, get me out of here!" Including a guy who took over the Martian Manhunter with a mind-battle. So yeah, I'm thinking even impulse's casual defenses would be a lot to over come, much less after you give him a crazy-powerful psychic sharing a consciousness with him.


Teela
I) She will make herself invisible and teleport behind the position of the enemy team.

And get ganked by the five or so people who can sense invisible. :p

ChacahZero detects Ki/Magic energy, Merlin can make the spikard detect hidden things, Venom has "Spider Sense" (IIRC), And I'm pretty sure Rush And Megaman have infrared sensors.

Heck the only one I'm not sure if can see invisible is Impulse, and he can still TARGET invisible people.

Estrecca
06-11-2014, 03:27 PM
Really? I thought the Eradicator was totally robotic. Dang. There goes my "impulse is the only DC hero" thing.

To be a lot more specific, Eradicator was originally the warp engine of an alien spaceship that was turned by evil kryptonian scientists into an AI operated doomsday machine, that eventually got thrown into the sun.

The AI controlling the kryptonian machine then returned as an energy being that tried to destroy Earth, only to get dispersed.

Then, following the death of Superman, the dispersed and mentally damaged energy being came back and somehow made itself a body cloned from Superman's "corpse", which was damaged and eventually rendered comatose during the battle against the Cyborg-Superman at the end of Reign of the Supermen.

After that, the mind of David Conner (one of the scientists studying the comatose Eradicator at STAR Labs) was absorbed by the Eradicator. This was not the end, but is close enough for government work.

So complicated background.


Fortunately as he knew very little about Supergirl, I'm guessing he REALLY won't know anything about the Eradicator, and thus believe me that your team is more of a threat to Superman than Captain Boomerang could DREAM of being.

I am less than sold in this approach of yours, but in any case the part in which Eradicator is not actually attacking Superman would tend to be a factor. All the more so when we consider that it is not just Superman, but also Batman throwing down with the villains.


ChachaZero was keeping up with Negi up until his Lightning God form, so she's pretty fast, and Yuna got a "contemptuously faster than bullet-time" feat in her last fight, and that's before she gets the multiplicative boost of the Venom Symbiote.
While she's no PC Streaky, she should still be faster than Marvel Girl or Teela, and possibly faster than Naruto unless he has some really good reaction time feats.

Actually, just the Bloodaxe gives a fair degree of superspeed ("manipulate bullets mid-flight with magnetism for the lulz" levels of fair) and that's without going into the crazy bananas "outrun Gladiator" stunts that Rachel was pulling with the energy she sucked from the Blade of the Phoenix.


Now I'll have to reread it, but I thought he lost the clone power after one of them died in Apocalypse.

I actually meant the Mario power-ups, but whatever.


Wish. GRANTED. :p

No Magic for You.

Doesn't work quickly enough/can be negated/can be healed. Pick any one of the three.

Next!


The Blessing of Carbuncle means his magical counters will be more or less useless.

Actually it doesn't mean that, at all. You realize that I know what Reflect actually does, Munch?


OH!! Somebody better pick up the phone because I fricking CALLED IT! :D

Looks like I get to claim the powers of the Marvel Girl and all her assets (wink wink) In defeating you.

Nope, you don't, but thanks for trying!

More about this later.


Fortunately Once Strangefate is turned to stone, and his magic is shut down, and all those other anti-him counters I threw at it, his magic clones should be no more.

Magic, you say?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tFs6ruJ8zo4/SlcCjrdpZnI/AAAAAAAAAv4/8ZpEP6cbyPs/s400/dr-manhattan.jpg


Yeah, telepath's have tried that before. It usually ends with them going "oh no his mind is to wild and chaotic, get me out of here!" Including a guy who took over the Martian Manhunter with a mind-battle.

Can I haz scanz, please?

Also, pre-match dialogue is harder than it looks.

The MunchKING
06-11-2014, 05:09 PM
Dang it !! It deleted my whole post after I went for scans!!


Then, following the death of Superman, the dispersed and mentally damaged energy being came back and somehow made itself a body cloned from Superman's "corpse", which was damaged and eventually rendered comatose during the battle against the Cyborg-Superman at the end of Reign of the Supermen.


That's the one I knew about. Quasi-evil Kryptonian super-Robot that was impersonating Superman.



I am less than sold in this approach of yours, but in any case the part in which Eradicator is not actually attacking Superman would tend to be a factor. All the more so when we consider that it is not just Superman, but also Batman throwing down with the villains.

Yes well with my team attacking you, even if Impulse noticed he would assume it because we distracted you and kept you from attacking Superman and Batman along with the other Supervillians.




Actually, just the Bloodaxe gives a fair degree of superspeed ("manipulate bullets mid-flight with magnetism for the lulz" levels of fair) and that's without going into the crazy bananas "outrun Gladiator" stunts that Rachel was pulling with the energy she sucked from the Blade of the Phoenix.

I'm sure Impulse will Appreciate every but you give him, even if it is only a small fraction of his out-running Flash feats. :D




I actually meant the Mario power-ups, but whatever.

Oh yeah! I forgot about those, even though I noted when I bought them that the duplication powerups would be awesome.

Well I guess if Dalak can claim my Auto-Berserk activates unless I specifically said otherwise, I can claim there's five or so Impulse clones running around even though I forgot about THAT power.



Doesn't work quickly enough/can be negated/can be healed. Pick any one of the three.

It can't be negated/healed by any powers Gods give their followers up to Level Six Spells (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/heal.htm)canonically. The Druid Lady implied that because it was an Epic Level Spell that made the virus, you would need an equally Epic level spell to inoculate against it, but admittedly we never saw anything more powerful than sixth level spells thrown at it. Mostly because it shuts down your spellcasting.


Actually it doesn't mean that, at all. You realize that I know what Reflect actually does, Munch?

Well it depends on how you're going to "Magically counter" Impulse running up and punching you in the face. I was imagining some kind of blast. Or maybe a time-stop spell or restraint (the Crimson Bands always seem to be popular) that, Like Stop or Parilz, WOULD be bounced back by Reflect. But I guess saying "Magically counter to the best of his ability" is vague enough you can claim anything by it.


Nope, you don't, but thanks for trying!


Tell it to the Infinity Impulse. :p



Magic, you say?

Yes, all those TOTALLY MAGIC Cosmic energy Dr. Manhatten clones you're throwing around. :p


Can I haz scanz, please?

Not if the Board keeps glitching when I try to post them.

Let's see if this works. This was the guy that took over the Martian Manhunter.


Also, pre-match dialogue is harder than it looks.

I know!! Isn't it though?
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Dalak
06-11-2014, 06:01 PM
Also, pre-match dialogue is harder than it looks.


I know!! Isn't it though?

Quoted for truth.

Estrecca
06-12-2014, 02:28 AM
So, yeah, let's nitpick this to death...


Alright, so Impulse’s first move needs to be to insure his team’s ability to contribute meaningfully to the rest of the match. So first he should use Dualcast to get both a Break and Carbuncle off. Carbunkle’s Ruby Light will make his team Reflect Magic, so if Dr. StrangeFate tries any shenanigans, they will bounce back and hit him.

Aren't we forgetting one teensy-weensy, but ever so crucial little, tiny detail?

Break cast the Spellblade way involves charging up a weapon with the spell. Then, you have to hit the relevant enemy with the weapon to actually affect the enemy. This will be difficult, seeing that Strangefate is staying outside of stabbing range.


So how he was going to beat a Pre-Crisis Superkitty Speedblitz? By having a power that lets him go first anyway if StrangeFate attacks him.

If you mean First Strike, it is only triggered by physical attacks from within the user's attack range. Seeing that Strangefate is well outside said range and using magic, it is not relevant.


As we all know, Precrisis Kryptonians are CRAZY weak to Magic, so even if StrageFate would normally be resistant to being turned to stone magically the Kryptonite should make it a lot worse for him.

Problem. Kryptonite-X does not turn Fate into a Kryptonian. It only gives him equivalent powers, with none of the weaknesses. Streaky was outright unaffected by green kryptonite. So, yeah, forget the idea of enhanced magical weakness for the good Doctor.


And if StrangeFate tries to fuse Impulse with anyone and claims it’s NOT Magic or an attack

Oh. It is magic and an attack, but not an attack that will inconvenience Fate, even if it is reflected back.


I’ll point out that when Impulse got fused to become part of Infinity Man he was only one part in five, and yet he still managed to make his personality a dominant part of the sum. Thus Impulse should still be on my team even fused.

Counter-argument:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ammrcury1.jpg

Mercury, the Amalgam of Impulse and Quicksilver. Bart's looks and powers, with all of Pietro's brooding and angst. No hint of Bart's cheer and scatterbrainedness to be found.


As for the others, Well we’ve got some serious power to throw their way. Yuna will gas the opposing team with the Guardian Virus, forcing them to shut down any magic they have up and then lobotomizing the parts of the brain that cast magic.

Takes too long/you need to find the other team/you need to get the virus past various defensive measures/insert argument here.


Chachazero will show Teela that even the third best Masters of the Universe character is no match for a halfway competent fighting anime character.

Thing is... Chachazero doesn't have anything that can actually harm a properly empowered angel host. These folks be broken, yoh.


Merlin can hit Naruto with the Cardiac Arrest spell

Hehehehehehehehehe.


It can't be negated/healed by any powers Gods give their followers up to Level Six Spells canonically.

It took a whole bunch of minutes for Xykon and the goblin casters to be affected, so that's entirely too long for it to be of any use in this fight. Just for starters.

However, let's say that it gets deployed and manages to hit my characters. What can we look forward to?

Strangefate would be left just a telepathic Doctor Manhattan with kryptonian stats. Truly, he would be finished.

Naruto has healing powers and awareness of natural phenomenons through the Isis powers (a druidic plague is going to give him a ping in the radar), plus a whole bunch of bullshit from the source (Charmed Wikia lists the Source as "immune to all kinds of human and supernatural diseases and viruses", but I'm not sure where they are getting that), plus a whole bunch of bullshit of his own. I wish good luck to the Guardian Virus in reaching the magical land of HIS brain. It is gonna need it.

Eradicator has no magic.

Rachel isn't doing magic, except for her Asgardian transformation... which also protects her against diseases. Standard Asgardian package.

And, finally, even angels with a speck of power left are impervious to disease.


But I guess saying "Magically counter to the best of his ability" is vague enough you can claim anything by it.

Welcome to the magical land of carefully worded strategies!


Let's see if this works. This was the guy that took over the Martian Manhunter.

I know Despero, but I now would like to see him trying (and failing) to get inside Bart's head, as opposed to him peeking inside and deciding that his brain makes about as much sense as Barney VS Teletubbies: The Martial Arts Opera.

The MunchKING
06-12-2014, 06:38 AM
Aren't we forgetting one teensy-weensy, but ever so crucial little, tiny detail?

Break cast the Spellblade way involves charging up a weapon with the spell. Then, you have to hit the relevant enemy with the weapon to actually affect the enemy. This will be difficult, seeing that Strangefate is staying outside of stabbing range.

Then he'll be constantly running away from Impulse forever and not have time to contribute to the battle. It's less of a win than I would have liked, but still solid enough.
Besides Impulse does have a FEW (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Arithmetician#Math_Skill.2FArithmeticks) Ranged (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Monk_(Tactics)#Punch_Art.2FMartial_Arts) attacks (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Geomancer_(Tactics)#Elemental.2FGeomancy).




If you mean First Strike, it is only triggered by physical attacks from within the user's attack range. Seeing that Strangefate is well outside said range and using magic, it is not relevant.

Then it falls to the Reflect and/or Magic Counter.

I'm not picky as long as I get your guy out of the fight. :D




Problem. Kryptonite-X does not turn Fate into a Kryptonian. It only gives him equivalent powers, with none of the weaknesses. Streaky was outright unaffected by green kryptonite. So, yeah, forget the idea of enhanced magical weakness for the good Doctor.

AH? Well my other strategy of just stealing it seems it wouldn't have worked either, so I'll just go ahead with letting you prove StrangeFate's immunity to Petrification. :D




Counter-argument:

Mercury, the Amalgam of Impulse and Quicksilver. Bart's looks and powers, with all of Pietro's brooding and angst. No hint of Bart's cheer and scatterbrainedness to be found.

The One I'm using actually came from Young Justice comics, which is where I got my Impulse from. But did Mercury stay a hero? Or did he become a villain like Quicksilver?


Thing is... Chachazero doesn't have anything that can actually harm a properly empowered angel host. These folks be broken, yoh.

Well she IS a bit lacking in feats...



It took a whole bunch of minutes for Xykon and the goblin casters to be affected, so that's entirely too long for it to be of any use in this fight. Just for starters.

Hence everyone's dislike for PC Kryptonians. :p


However, let's say that it gets deployed and manages to hit my characters. What can we look forward to?

Strangefate would be left just a telepathic Doctor Manhattan with kryptonian stats. Truly, he would be finished.

Well it would certainly HELP.


Rachel isn't doing magic, except for her Asgardian transformation... which also protects her against diseases. Standard Asgardian package.

To be fair it isn't a standard disease, it's a magical virus made by Epic Magic.


Welcome to the magical land of carefully worded strategies!

We'll see if anyone buys it.


I know Despero, but I now would like to see him trying (and failing) to get inside Bart's head, as opposed to him peeking inside and deciding that his brain makes about as much sense as Barney VS Teletubbies: The Martial Arts Opera.

Well I'll look over the rest of my comics for more feats.

Darth Drizzle
06-12-2014, 09:07 AM
Good one here as well.

If Impulse can distract Strangefate and go clone for clone with him(I still dont know if he can) to stall him then it becomes a much closer match.

Though Rachel and Naruto are also very hard to put down and the Magic Virus used against their team maay or may not work but is a good action to take none the less.

Just a couple thoughts. No need to rush to answer them.

Tami
06-12-2014, 10:12 AM
Right now I think I'm leaning towards Estrecca. MunchKing has the speed, but Estrecca seems to have the firepower. Need more time to consider this before making a final decision.

The MunchKING
06-12-2014, 07:57 PM
Vote for the guy who doesn't do no Vaguestratting! When Then the MunchKING tells you about his strat, you know it's AWESOME even if it's improbable!

Also I totally called Estrecca's moves and told you counters for it in my strat!

Infinity Impulse says he can totally use his new girly side to help him beat StrangeFate/Eradicator. Rush pretty much can't be killed by these guys. Sending him to the Phantom Zone MIGHT work but if Erradicator catches a Break Punch, a face full of Hellfire, Enough Bad Breath to turn him into a dead kappa, or gets stipped down to a skeleton and rebuilt into a loyal dude to Merlin he won't be able to pull it off. And it wasn't even close to the first thing Eradicator was going to try, so yeah.

Vote Early, Vote Often, Vote MunchKING!!

:D

Dalak
06-12-2014, 09:01 PM
I have to admit, Vague moves are harder to judge and slightly annoying. Ex: Outnumbering 1 Impulse could mean just 2 Strangefates, or 100. Since all the clones are controlled by one mind splitting it's focus, the specifics would help judge how split his focus is. Then there's 'magically counter' vs a Reflect which has only a couple of specific weaknesses. I'm guilty of being vague in the follow up section but I try to avoid that for first moves to avoid confusion like this. Debating against Munch got convoluted for me last week and it's getting so here.

The Merger is also causing me some problems, whether it would work and what would happen if one personality is meeker compared to the other - not the case in Impulse-Quicksilver combo.

Estrecca
06-13-2014, 04:38 AM
I'll reply in some length later today.

If anyone has additional unvoiced questions, now would be a great time to voice them.

Primetime Harder
06-13-2014, 05:07 AM
Between the Guardian virus, Carbuncle's reflect, and the few seconds it would take for Strangefate to Manhattan himself out of petrification, I'm sort of leaning toward Munch.

However, Eradicator's torquasm-vo technique might actually work, considering this is not the comics version of Impulse. The YJ version does share the increased thought speed (IIRC he did the speed-read-a-library thing) and may also share the scattered-mind trait given his similarity to the comics version in terms of personality. But that's speculation, since I don't think that version shrugged off any telepathic attacks. I'm going to see if I can re-watch his YJ appearances sometime soon.

Estrecca
06-13-2014, 08:45 AM
Then he'll be constantly running away from Impulse forever and not have time to contribute to the battle. It's less of a win than I would have liked, but still solid enough.

So... tiny little detail that I hadn't mentioned earlier.

How is Impulse finding anyone here? Just asking, because not only is there half a kilometer between starting positions in a terrain that doesn't favour visibility, but Naruto is teleporting the group away and leaving decoys.


Then it falls to the Reflect and/or Magic Counter.

I'm not picky as long as I get your guy out of the fight. :D

Reflect or Counter would either do nothing (seeing that amalgamation magic probably won't be effective against someone who already is an amalgam) or fuse Rachel with Strangefate.

I fail to see how giving the hilariously powerful character even more power, in the form of supertelepathy, takes him out of the fight.


AH? Well my other strategy of just stealing it seems it wouldn't have worked either

Not really. Kryptonite-X powers take a while (which can range from seconds to hours) to fade away.


But did Mercury stay a hero? Or did he become a villain like Quicksilver?

Brooding, angry hero.


Hence everyone's dislike for PC Kryptonians. :p

Nonsense!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqi13fuNig1r2ntbyo1_400.jpg

Look! They liked SuperPope SO much that they brought him gifts.


To be fair it isn't a standard disease, it's a magical virus made by Epic Magic.

Evidence of it actually being a creation of Epic Magic?

No need to look. I know there is actually none. I also know that the Order of the Scribble was low epic. It is not particularly reasonable, however, to assume that everything they ever did involved Epic magicking.


Well I'll look over the rest of my comics for more feats.

'kay.

While we are at it, anything you want me to prove with scans? I am willing to do that, but nobody has requested anything in the specific.


If Impulse can distract Strangefate and go clone for clone with him(I still dont know if he can) to stall him then it becomes a much closer match.

Impulse can do clones. If nothing else, through several Mario power-ups. However, he isn't noted to do clone stuff.


Though Rachel and Naruto are also very hard to put down and the Magic Virus used against their team maay or may not work but is a good action to take none the less.

There is the slight problems of 1) Yuna being half a kilometer away from the starting point of my team, 2) Yuna having no means to locate the team after they teleport away and 3) Yuna having no means to penetrate the shield that Naruto is raising.


Vote for the guy who doesn't do no Vaguestratting!

Thanks for asking them to vote for me!


I have to admit, Vague moves are harder to judge and slightly annoying. Ex: Outnumbering 1 Impulse could mean just 2 Strangefates, or 100

Actually I was going to write (number of Impulses + 1), but that seemed even sillier than what I wrote. Since Impulse is not doing clones, I guess that's two Strangefates running around.


The Merger is also causing me some problems, whether it would work and what would happen if one personality is meeker compared to the other - not the case in Impulse-Quicksilver combo.

Okay. I am guessing that some scans of Strangefate amalgamating people might help here.


Between the Guardian virus, Carbuncle's reflect, and the few seconds it would take for Strangefate to Manhattan himself out of petrification, I'm sort of leaning toward Munch.

Thing is that petrification would require Impulse to hit a Strangefate that is actively avoiding such a thing.

The MunchKING
06-13-2014, 09:08 AM
So... tiny little detail that I hadn't mentioned earlier.

How is Impulse finding anyone here? Just asking, because not only is there half a kilometer between starting positions in a terrain that doesn't favour visibility, but Naruto is teleporting the group away and leaving decoys.

I hoped you weren't going to ask that because while there are several answers for how my team can hit your team despite invisibility and illusions (like the aforementioned Chi sense, Infra vision, and the fact that FF Magic is not only not fooled by Illusions but being invisible makes it a Guaranteed success) it would rely on discussing Game Mechanics I'm not sure I have time for remaining. And there was the aforementioned "Shutting down illusions/Distracting Naruto" from my strat.




Reflect or Counter would either do nothing (seeing that amalgamation magic probably won't be effective against someone who already is an amalgam) or fuse Rachel with Strangefate.

I fail to see how giving the hilariously powerful character even more power, in the form of supertelepathy, takes him out of the fight.

Because it would be even more like Infinity Impulse. :p

But I was actually referring more to your vague "counter Impulse with Magic" bit.




Not really. Kryptonite-X powers take a while (which can range from seconds to hours) to fade away.

But it would (in theory) have given Impulse those same powers, while you were running on borrowed time with them.



Brooding, angry hero.

See! Still Heroic, thus, still willing to stop you from hurting everybody.



Evidence of it actually being a creation of Epic Magic?

No need to look. I know there is actually none. I also know that the Order of the Scribble was low epic. It is not particularly reasonable, however, to assume that everything they ever did involved Epic magicking.

Not everything. No, that would be unreasonable. The main spell guarding the Gates holding up the Fabric of reality? Oh HECK yeah it would be reasonable to assume she would have made it epic.

Besides the direct quote about what it is; "an airborne hybrid of several naturally-occurring diseases infused with druidic magic".

And given that there's no Druid spell that DOES that kind of thing in the SRD, Epic spell creation would be the logical answer.




Impulse can do clones. If nothing else, through several Mario power-ups. However, he isn't noted to do clone stuff.

I'll argue it would still work. Which If I'm reading this (http://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Power-Ups) right would mean about 8 Impulses, based on Mario powerups alone.




There is the slight problems of 1) Yuna being half a kilometer away from the starting point of my team, 2) Yuna having no means to locate the team after they teleport away and 3) Yuna having no means to penetrate the shield that Naruto is raising.

1) The virus contaminated a whole glade according to the druid. Even if the canister is a smaller dose, getting it anywhere in your ballpark should work.

2) Venom Sense? And whatever cool powers Megaman had.

3) Unfortunatly, unlike a Fire Angel, Naruto doesn't have three hearts in case one of them blows up. :D


Actually I was going to write (number of Impulses + 1), but that seemed even sillier than what I wrote. Since Impulse is not doing clones, I guess that's two Strangefates running around.

Nine I'd guess. Spreading him thinner.


Thing is that petrification would require Impulse to hit a Strangefate that is actively avoiding such a thing.

Once he goes for magic though, Invis means whatever he uses has a 100% success rate. I could have just nailed you with Doom or X-Zone for an instant win. :p

The MunchKING
06-13-2014, 09:45 AM
Well I don't want to debate any more as we're rapidly approaching the one hour mark where we can't legally do so. SO I will instead extoll you all to vote, preferably for me. :D

Tami
06-13-2014, 09:49 AM
Thinking on it.