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Ursalink
07-09-2016, 04:43 PM
Guys, I have been thinking about a few things coming at Marvel Universe and what it can mean for Spider-Man's world. Look, it's obvious Spidey is going to be involved in the Civil War, but as usual, I believe he's going to be mainly busy with his own problems to have a very important role after all. I mean, while the main heroes are going to be busy with the Civil War II, I guess Spidey could be trapped in the upcoming "Dead No More" story or something.

Well, anyway, I have read several things with info about the aftermath of Civil War II, and I want to share some of my suspictions. Let's see:

+ I don't know what is going to happen to Tony Stark, but it's obvious that is something really bad. If it wasn't, I doubt it would be possible for Doctor Doom take his name. Under normal circunstances, I would be really worried; but considering what happened after Secret Wars, I'll say it's uncomfortable, but acceptable. I mean, with the real Reed Richards busy reconstructing the multiverse and the evil/insane Ultimate Reed Richards in the new universe, I guess Doom is really trying to be a hero.

+ Anyway, what it worries me about Doom as the new Iron Man is Mary Jane. Maybe Doom is going to try redemption after all, but it's obvious that almost nobody is going to believe him. Mary Jane had some encounters with Doom in the past, so if Doom takes Tony's armors and company, Mary Jane won't want to stay working here at all. I really hope so. And with a little luck, this could bring her back to Spider-Man's books.

+ Kingpin is returning to New York. Honestly, it took him long enough after the events of the stinking "Superior Spider-Junk". With this, something tells me Black Cat is going to have serious problems. Putting aside Spider-Man, considering the story these two have, it's obvious Black Cat and Kingpin won't be able to have any kind of "deal" that will make both of them happy. So, clearly one of them will go down, and considering previous experiences, I wouldn't be surprised if Felicia ends really bad hurt.

+ Speaking of Felicia, I think the return of Doctor Octopus is another point of interest. I really hate Black Cat turned into a villain, all because of the stupid "Superior Spider-Junk", so I want her back into the good side somehow. I believe the return of Doctor Octopus could be the key. He's currently trapped inside the Living Brain, but the events of "Dead No More" seems to indicate he's going to recover his old body. (Possibly, a cloned body of his old self). Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Octopus, once again a villain, will try to find an ally on Black Cat against Spider-Man and Parker Industries. Then, as in villain's nature, Ock betrays Black Cat, and then he says or do something just like the time the "Superior Spider-Junk" hit her and delivered her to the police; making her finally realize that the one who ruined her wasn't Spidey, but Octopus. Surely, Spidey will help her against Octopus and this could be the first step to turn her hero again.

Well, what do you think, people?

FF-Fighter
07-09-2016, 08:23 PM
I think Kingpin will come back and he will be too much for Blackcat, so she'll reluctantly need to go to Spidey for help. Then, she'll see that's she's been wrong about him and will switch sides again.

Ursalink
07-12-2016, 01:15 PM
I would have liked some more comments to my ideas, people. Well, anyway, after the recent revelations of the future series of "Marvel Now!", I have a few more suspictions that I want to share and know your opinions about them. Let's see:

1) "The Infame Iron Man": By the look of it, I would say I was right before. Something really bad is going to happen to Tony Stark, leaving him out of Iron Man's role, at least for now. Not only that, but it seems Stark Enterprises is going to be ruined after all, thanks to Tony's action against the Inhumans. So, it is obvious to assume Victor Von Doom is going to take the role of Iron Man, possibly trying to redempt himself as a hero. And it seems he's going to take everything from Tony: his armor, his name, his money and his role in the Avengers. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes the remains of Stark Enterprises and turn them into something like "Doom Universal" or something. Either way, it's obvious Mary Jane won't and Can't stay in this book any longer. So, wiht a little luck, she will return to Spider-Man's comics and possibly join Parker Industries.

2) "The Clone Conspiracy": I don't know what exactly is going to happen here, but all seems to aim that is going to be really big. It looks like they want to replace the official "Amazing Spider-Man" with this book, so I guess we can assume this is going to be a long story. It would be interesting if they officially restore somehow several of long time dead characters, like Ben Reilly, Madame Web and others. It seems this story is also going to be involved with alternative dimensions, so maybe there will be somekind of connection with the end of "Web Warriors" too.

3) "Silk": I didn't expected the return of Mattie Franklin here, but then again, this must be related with the Clone Conspiracy and the return from all the dead characters related with Spider-Man. So, I'm not so surprised. The cover, however, really confuses me. Aside from the fact that Jameson will discover Silk's secret identity and (somehow) adopt her, there's something weird about Mattie as well. I mean, Mattie Franklin was Jameson's niece, but he never knew she was a Spider-Woman. And it seems he didn't even know when she was killed by the Kravens in the Grim Hunt. But now it seems he knows that and he likes it. What in blazes is going on here?

4) "Spider-Man": Well, I'll be honest. I don't know what to think about this. I mean, in his reality, it's obvious Spider-Gwen's still a teenager; and compared with main Peter Parker, there is a remarkable difference in age between these two. Miles is closer to Gwen's age in this case, so they can actually work as a couple; not to mention the fact that they are from different realities after all. But of course, there's a big problem, and it's that I can't forget the relationship of Peter and classic Gwen. Not to mention realities like "House of M", with Peter and Gwen married; so I can't avoid to see this as awkward. One question here, What is Spider-Gwen doing in the main universe? This makes me suspect something bad is going to happen to her world. By the way, Miles and Gwen, doesn't make you think about how the Jackal (Miles Warren) had a crush on Gwen Stacy?

5) "Venom": Honestly, is this a joke? After so many years and stories, they want to turn Venom back into a villain? How stupid is that?!! Let's think about the consequences:
+ They can't turn Flash into villain or remove the symbiote from him, at least while he doesn't have his legs.
+ Merging Venom and Eddie Brock after so much time would be pathetic. So many years of character development just to turn back to square one.
+ Flash could then merge with Toxin and became "Agent Toxin", which might actually work; considering we saw Toxin with an outfit very similar to the original "Agent Venom". Of course, the problem is still the return of the classic Venom.
+ Mania could actually "evolve" and became the new "Venom", so we could have two Venoms as there are two of each character now (Captain America, Spider-Mna, Thor... etc).
They better don't try yo use it as a villain again versus Spider-Man, like in "Renew Your Vows", because is embarrasing returning to that after so much time.

Well, what do you think of this? I have more, but I will wait some comments.

Phantom Roxas
07-12-2016, 01:45 PM
I might make an extended response another time, but I feel like Mary Jane does need to go somewhere. Will she be in Invincible Iron Man or Infamous Iron Man? Both? I feel like Infamous might be a little more appropriate, especially since they joined up with Tony in the first arc of the previous volume of Invincible.

At the very least, I'd like Mary Jane to be a character in Infamous Iron Man, and then have that book cross over with Spider-Man. As in, Miles' book. Not sure how, but I do feel like they could touch on something about Secret Wars. Do we know when Bendis plans to do Spider-Men 2? Because Doom might be able to play a part in that, since he's largely responsible for Miles crossing over to the main universe. So you could set up some conflict between Doom and Miles, and have that allow Mary Jane to move over to Miles' book. As much as I'd prefer her to go back to being with Peter, I don't want her in ASM right now. But at least if she would be Miles' book, she'd be somewhere in the Spider-Man line.

Ursalink
07-12-2016, 02:02 PM
I might make an extended response another time, but I feel like Mary Jane does need to go somewhere. Will she be in Invincible Iron Man or Infamous Iron Man? Both? I feel like Infamous might be a little more appropriate, especially since they joined up with Tony in the first arc of the previous volume of Invincible.

At the very least, I'd like Mary Jane to be a character in Infamous Iron Man, and then have that book cross over with Spider-Man. As in, Miles' book. Not sure how, but I do feel like they could touch on something about Secret Wars. Do we know when Bendis plans to do Spider-Men 2? Because Doom might be able to play a part in that, since he's largely responsible for Miles crossing over to the main universe. So you could set up some conflict between Doom and Miles, and have that allow Mary Jane to move over to Miles' book. As much as I'd prefer her to go back to being with Peter, I don't want her in ASM right now. But at least if she would be Miles' book, she'd be somewhere in the Spider-Man line.

She can't stay with neither "Infame Iron Man" or "Invincible Iron Man". Mary Jane had previous encounters with Doctor Doom, and no matter how many times he says he changed, there's no way Mary Jane would accept to work for the one who has been Marvel's greatest supervillain until now. And with Star Enterprises destroyed, as I suspect, MJ will need to find a job in another place. And no matter how intelligent this Riri Williams is, she's just a teenager and she can't give MJ a new job. This is like Miles, Sam and Kamala leaving the Avengers for the Champions. (I wouldn't be surprised if they leave because of Doom in the first place).

ZephyrSurf
07-12-2016, 02:06 PM
Just cause Gwen might be in Miles book doesn't mean something happened to her universe. She universe hops all the time.

Phantom Roxas
07-12-2016, 02:23 PM
She can't stay with neither "Infame Iron Man" or "Invincible Iron Man". Mary Jane had previous encounters with Doctor Doom, and no matter how many times he says he changed, there's no way Mary Jane would accept to work for the one who has been Marvel's greatest supervillain until now. And with Star Enterprises destroyed, as I suspect, MJ will need to find a job in another place. And no matter how intelligent this Riri Williams is, she's just a teenager and she can't give MJ a new job. This is like Miles, Sam and Kamala leaving the Avengers for the Champions. (I wouldn't be surprised if they leave because of Doom in the first place).

Like how said about Riri, I agree that she wouldn't have much of a role in Invincible. I'm not sure about Infamous, but you're right, she wouldn't work with him. The most she could do is oppose him, but I'm really not sure how.

What I'm trying to get at is that I feel Bendis will still be using Mary Jane. I'm not sure in what book, though. But it could also depend on what happens after Civil War II.

Man of Sin
07-14-2016, 11:48 PM
3) "Silk": I didn't expected the return of Mattie Franklin here, but then again, this must be related with the Clone Conspiracy and the return from all the dead characters related with Spider-Man. So, I'm not so surprised. The cover, however, really confuses me. Aside from the fact that Jameson will discover Silk's secret identity and (somehow) adopt her, there's something weird about Mattie as well. I mean, Mattie Franklin was Jameson's niece, but he never knew she was a Spider-Woman. And it seems he didn't even know when she was killed by the Kravens in the Grim Hunt. But now it seems he knows that and he likes it. What in blazes is going on here?


JJJ found out Mattie was a superhero during Alias.

Ursalink
07-16-2016, 01:44 PM
JJJ found out Mattie was a superhero during Alias.

I checked that, you are right. Too bad I couldn't see Jonah confronting Mattie about the "Spider-Theme". I would have loved to see Jameson's head blowing up.

Still, there was no mention about Mattie's murder in Grim Hunt. So, if Mattie was so important for Jerk Jonah Jameson, why didn't he even notice it?

Phantom Roxas
07-16-2016, 01:51 PM
I checked that, you are right. Too bad I couldn't see Jonah confronting Mattie about the "Spider-Theme". I would have loved to see Jameson's head blowing up.

Still, there was no mention about Mattie's murder in Grim Hunt. So, if Mattie was so important for Jerk Jonah Jameson, why didn't he even notice it?

Because Slott was more concerned with having Marla's death be the center of Jonah's attention.

You raise a good point, that's not meant to disparage you, so I don't want you upset you, but really, the answer to your question can be summed up as "Skewed priorities."

Ursalink
07-16-2016, 02:03 PM
Because Slott was more concerned with having Marla's death be the center of Jonah's attention.

You raise a good point, that's not meant to disparage you, so I don't want you upset you, but really, the answer to your question can be summed up as "Skewed priorities."

Not upset at all, but when we talk about family, I don't think "priorities" is an acceptable word. I mean, the death of someone from your family is always a hard time, no matter if it's an uncle, a father or any other relative. And since he was trying to rise Mattie as his own "daugther", I think it would be even more important the death of a son/daugther than the death of your spouse.

Man of Sin
07-18-2016, 02:51 PM
Because Slott was more concerned with having Marla's death be the center of Jonah's attention.

You raise a good point, that's not meant to disparage you, so I don't want you upset you, but really, the answer to your question can be summed up as "Skewed priorities."

Slott didn't write Grim Hunt and its aftermath. Mattie's death was editorial driven like baby May's, where they wanted a character dead and forgotten. This is because Quesada and Wacker wanted Anya Corazon to be in front as the inheritor to both Spider-man and the Spider-woman legacy, but Mattie already filled that role.

Caivu
07-18-2016, 03:33 PM
I really can't overstate how much I dislike Felicia right now. It's awful to say, but I want something horrible to happen to her. Another rematch with Silk, like just before Secret Wars, only much more... decisive now, shall we say? I'd be in.
Ultimately I want to see her turn good again, but I think she's gotten away with too much with too few consequences so far.

Ursalink
07-18-2016, 04:18 PM
I really can't overstate how much I dislike Felicia right now. It's awful to say, but I want something horrible to happen to her. Another rematch with Silk, like just before Secret Wars, only much more... decisive now, shall we say? I'd be in.
Ultimately I want to see her turn good again, but I think she's gotten away with too much with too few consequences so far.

Usually, I would agree with you about the punishment, pal; but I can't. I mean, this was all caused because Felicia thinks that Spider-Man (the man she loved for years), betrayed her in the most painful way. She didn't know the one who did that to her was actually Doctor Octopus usurping Spidey's body as the "Superior Spider-Junk". That betray (which never actually happened) is what caused Felicia fall into the wrong path. At least, until now, Felicia hasn't crossed the most important line. She didn't killed anyone, yet.

The only way to stop this is showing Black Cat something that will prove, without a doubt, that it was Doc Ock who did that to her, not Spider-Man. And since Doctor Ocotpus is apparently going to return after the "Dead No More" arc, this could be the perfect chance. Octavius could say or do something that will be very familiar to Felicia, probably something "Spider-Junk" said when he "betrayed her". That could finally prove her that it was Ock, not Spidey, who hurted her. Instantly, Black Cat will want to tear him apart; and I don't think Spider will have an objection. Then, Peter/Spidey will do something incredible to save her from either dying or fro jail, because he believes Felicia's actions weren't her fault after all. That compassion could cause Felicia to feel remorseful for her actions, and she would start a journey of redemption. Surely, Peter would make a deal with SHIELD to use her as an agent until doing her time.

Webhead
07-18-2016, 04:43 PM
She's a mob head, if she hasn't killed anyone directly, she at the very least has directed and condoned such actions. I don't think she's having a face turn anytime soon.

Ursalink
07-18-2016, 04:47 PM
She's a mob head, if she hasn't killed anyone directly, she at the very least has directed and condoned such actions. I don't think she's having a face turn anytime soon.

She has caused pain to people, there's no doubt about it, but I have been following her actions and nobody has died yet, either at her hands or her henchmen's hands.

Huntsman Spider
07-18-2016, 04:58 PM
Slott didn't write Grim Hunt and its aftermath. Mattie's death was editorial driven like baby May's, where they wanted a character dead and forgotten. This is because Quesada and Wacker wanted Anya Corazon to be in front as the inheritor to both Spider-man and the Spider-woman legacy, but Mattie already filled that role.

And Slott did actually address Mattie's death in the issue following Revenge of the Spider-Slayers' ending with Marla's death. The entirety (almost) of that following issue was Peter's guilt-induced nightmare where he was haunted by the faces of every single person he couldn't save, and Mattie was among them.

Ursalink
07-18-2016, 05:56 PM
And Slott did actually address Mattie's death in the issue following Revenge of the Spider-Slayers' ending with Marla's death. The entirety (almost) of that following issue was Peter's guilt-induced nightmare where he was haunted by the faces of every single person he couldn't save, and Mattie was among them.

Yes, Peter mourned her, of course. But at any moment I saw Jameson mourning the death of Mattie. That's what made me suspect he ignored her completely.

Huntsman Spider
07-19-2016, 03:46 PM
Yes, Peter mourned her, of course. But at any moment I saw Jameson mourning the death of Mattie. That's what made me suspect he ignored her completely.

Oh, that's what you meant. Then more accurately, Slott never addressed Jameson's reaction to Mattie's death, though with what's been teased for the Spider-Verse in October, it seems that'll be another dropped plot thread Robbie Thompson has to pick up. As for Black Cat, while she hasn't killed anyone yet, it's not been for lack of trying on her part and her callous disregard for life would at least prove intent if she were ever put on trial. I'd love to see her redeemed from this terrible stage in her life and characterization, but after some of the things she's done or tried to do, there'd have to be some kind of repercussions as well.

Ursalink
07-20-2016, 03:29 PM
Oh, that's what you meant. Then more accurately, Slott never addressed Jameson's reaction to Mattie's death, though with what's been teased for the Spider-Verse in October, it seems that'll be another dropped plot thread Robbie Thompson has to pick up. As for Black Cat, while she hasn't killed anyone yet, it's not been for lack of trying on her part and her callous disregard for life would at least prove intent if she were ever put on trial. I'd love to see her redeemed from this terrible stage in her life and characterization, but after some of the things she's done or tried to do, there'd have to be some kind of repercussions as well.

I'm not saying repercussions must fall because of Black Cat's actions, but I'm trying to adress them in the most human and understandable way. Just think about it: I t would be quite similar to the origin of Spider-Man in the first place. Why? let my explain it.

Back when Spider-Man received his powers, he tried to use them to gain money, that helped him to gain a lot of confidence on himself after years of being a victim of bullies like Flash Thompson back then. Then, one day, he left a thief run away just because it wasn't his problem. He was selfish, just because he didn't care about anyone but himself, now that he has the power of stop being smashed by others. Then, he discovered what happened to his Uncle Ben, and Peter was after the murderer as Spider-Man, blind by rage and possibly with the intention of killing him. Of course, with his power, Peter caught him, but then he discovered that it was the same thief he had let escape. His selfishness, his proud, and later his rage, made him commit a terrible mistake, and he was about to commit a even bigger one if he had killed the burglar.

In very similar ways, Black Cat is now in a situation quite similar to that. She believes Spider-Man betrayed him, and now she's blinded by her selfishness, her proud and her rage. But the truth is, Spider-Man never betrayed her in the first place. This is like you think someone killed someone you love, then you are blinded by rage and wish to kill the guy. But just when you are about to do it, you discover that he was innocent; and in fact, the one you think he killed is still alive. How would you feel about that, when you realize you were about to commit a terrible mistake for a wrong reason?

Someone has to prove Black Cat hat it was actually Octopus, not Spider-Man, who did that to her. Once she realize it, it's quite probable that she will suffer a change of heart about her actions. Besides, there's a big difference between what you did and what you tried to do. Somekind of punishment will be in order because of what SHE DID, but once she realize the truth, I'm pretty sure she will be tortured by her own conscience for what SHE TRIED to do.

Darthfury78
07-20-2016, 03:37 PM
I think Kingpin will come back and he will be too much for Blackcat, so she'll reluctantly need to go to Spidey for help. Then, she'll see that's she's been wrong about him and will switch sides again.

I always felt that Evil Queenpin Black Cat was just a setup for the Kingpins return to power. Afterall, all Felicia is doing is rebuilding Wilson Fisk's criminal empire which is tied to Dr. Tramma....

Huntsman Spider
07-20-2016, 04:06 PM
I'm not saying repercussions must fall because of Black Cat's actions, but I'm trying to adress them in the most human and understandable way. Just think about it: I t would be quite similar to the origin of Spider-Man in the first place. Why? let my explain it.

Back when Spider-Man received his powers, he tried to use them to gain money, that helped him to gain a lot of confidence on himself after years of being a victim of bullies like Flash Thompson back then. Then, one day, he left a thief run away just because it wasn't his problem. He was selfish, just because he didn't care about anyone but himself, now that he has the power of stop being smashed by others. Then, he discovered what happened to his Uncle Ben, and Peter was after the murderer as Spider-Man, blind by rage and possibly with the intention of killing him. Of course, with his power, Peter caught him, but then he discovered that it was the same thief he had let escape. His selfishness, his proud, and later his rage, made him commit a terrible mistake, and he was about to commit a even bigger one if he had killed the burglar.

In very similar ways, Black Cat is now in a situation quite similar to that. She believes Spider-Man betrayed him, and now she's blinded by her selfishness, her proud and her rage. But the truth is, Spider-Man never betrayed her in the first place. This is like you think someone killed someone you love, then you are blinded by rage and wish to kill the guy. But just when you are about to do it, you discover that he was innocent; and in fact, the one you think he killed is still alive. How would you feel about that, when you realize you were about to commit a terrible mistake for a wrong reason?

Someone has to prove Black Cat hat it was actually Octopus, not Spider-Man, who did that to her. Once she realize it, it's quite probable that she will suffer a change of heart about her actions. Besides, there's a big difference between what you did and what you tried to do. Somekind of punishment will be in order because of what SHE DID, but once she realize the truth, I'm pretty sure she will be tortured by her own conscience for what SHE TRIED to do.

That's an excellent point, come to think of it.


I always felt that Evil Queenpin Black Cat was just a setup for the Kingpins return to power. Afterall, all Felicia is doing is rebuilding Wilson Fisk's criminal empire which is tied to Dr. Tramma....

And yeah, since Kingpin is getting his own ongoing spinning out of his Civil War II miniseries, it's almost a fait accompli that he'll be bumping Felicia off her throne as the "Queenpin of Crime." It'll be very likely, at least to me, that if she wants to survive, she'll be forced to rely on Spider-Man, no matter how much she hates him for what (she thinks) "he" did to her.

CrimsonEchidna
07-20-2016, 06:19 PM
I'm wondering if that rumor/variant of Felicia getting the Venom Symbiote is going to end up being true?

I feel like having the Symbiote being the catalyst of her heel turn would've made way more sense than what was previous shown.

Cmbmool
07-21-2016, 04:56 AM
I'm not saying repercussions must fall because of Black Cat's actions, but I'm trying to adress them in the most human and understandable way. Just think about it: I t would be quite similar to the origin of Spider-Man in the first place. Why? let my explain it.

Back when Spider-Man received his powers, he tried to use them to gain money, that helped him to gain a lot of confidence on himself after years of being a victim of bullies like Flash Thompson back then. Then, one day, he left a thief run away just because it wasn't his problem. He was selfish, just because he didn't care about anyone but himself, now that he has the power of stop being smashed by others. Then, he discovered what happened to his Uncle Ben, and Peter was after the murderer as Spider-Man, blind by rage and possibly with the intention of killing him. Of course, with his power, Peter caught him, but then he discovered that it was the same thief he had let escape. His selfishness, his proud, and later his rage, made him commit a terrible mistake, and he was about to commit a even bigger one if he had killed the burglar.

In very similar ways, Black Cat is now in a situation quite similar to that. She believes Spider-Man betrayed him, and now she's blinded by her selfishness, her proud and her rage. But the truth is, Spider-Man never betrayed her in the first place. This is like you think someone killed someone you love, then you are blinded by rage and wish to kill the guy. But just when you are about to do it, you discover that he was innocent; and in fact, the one you think he killed is still alive. How would you feel about that, when you realize you were about to commit a terrible mistake for a wrong reason?

Someone has to prove Black Cat hat it was actually Octopus, not Spider-Man, who did that to her. Once she realize it, it's quite probable that she will suffer a change of heart about her actions. Besides, there's a big difference between what you did and what you tried to do. Somekind of punishment will be in order because of what SHE DID, but once she realize the truth, I'm pretty sure she will be tortured by her own conscience for what SHE TRIED to do.

Didn't they say that Doc Ock was coming back to the Spider-titles ?

Could he reveal that it was Him in Peter's body and made all of his previous choices ?

Phantom Roxas
07-21-2016, 07:45 PM
Didn't they say that Doc Ock was coming back to the Spider-titles ?

Could he reveal that it was Him in Peter's body and made all of his previous choices ?

He was front and center of the big teaser to the Clone Conspiracy, so we could probably see Felicia's confusion resolved because of that.