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    Yes, I'm curious as to how Hickman will integrate...

    Yes, I'm curious as to how Hickman will integrate this morality aspect of the story into its final conclusion.
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    I never said that there was an absolute morality...

    I never said that there was an absolute morality and that's not my view. Morality is a social construct anyway. I said "it can be considered moral", not "it has to be considered moral". :-) My intent...
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    Well, I agree that the Illuminati should have...

    Well, I agree that the Illuminati should have tried going to other people for help, and that they should have tried working with the Great Society (although they did try that except for Namor who...
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    Yeah, I raised that possibility in a NA thread a...

    Yeah, I raised that possibility in a NA thread a few issues ago, but there's nothing indicating this could be the case so far. In any case, it would be a pretty stupid test considering the moral...
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    Well, what IS pure speculation is the idea that...

    Well, what IS pure speculation is the idea that the group of Avengers working on the source would have found a solution stopping the incursions before the Great Society incursion happened. Because if...
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    Nothing about Earth-616 makes it more deserving...

    Nothing about Earth-616 makes it more deserving of living than the other planet, so you're right that the choice to save Earth-616 rather than the other planet is based on a desire to survive....
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    My point was that Doom is not dealing with the...

    My point was that Doom is not dealing with the incursions themselves since others are. The Illuminati were trying to solve the incursions themselves. Blowing up the other planet was seen as a...
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    As I said, if the full avengers machine had been...

    As I said, if the full avengers machine had been involved from the start then the "blowing up planets" option would have been off the table since the others would have opposed it. You can't tell the...
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    1. Yes, being able to intervene at the source of...

    1. Yes, being able to intervene at the source of the problem is obviously the ideal and best solution. HOWEVER, in order to make progress on that front, you have to survive the incursions first....
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    Doom isn't trying to solve the incursion problem...

    Doom isn't trying to solve the incursion problem itself since the Cabal is doing it for them. The Illuminati would not have had such a luxury if they had brought in the other heroes who would have...
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    It doesn't really fit because the two characters...

    It doesn't really fit because the two characters weren't 100% sure to both die if one of the two wasn't sacrificed. If it had been the case, then yes, it would objectively have been better, in terms...
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    If you want to blame them for not seeking the...

    If you want to blame them for not seeking the help of other people that's fine, but don't bring up false accusations like "they should have tried finding other solutions" when it's shown on panel...
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    They did try finding other solutions. It's on...

    They did try finding other solutions. It's on panel. Why are you ignoring this? It has been repeated time and time again in almost every single thread on the issue on these forums.

    They did not...
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    Characters only "find another way" when the...

    Characters only "find another way" when the writers want them to find another way. In this case, the writer did not want the characters to find another way, so no, Batman and Superman wouldn't have...
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    If you agree they were right to destroy the...

    If you agree they were right to destroy the alternate Earth, I don't see how you can blame them for doing the right thing. Or at least I don't think you should.
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    Marvel's afterlife is part of the universe,...

    Marvel's afterlife is part of the universe, though, so it disappears if the universe is wiped out.

    In any case, what you said applies to the person making the choice, not to those affected by the...
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    As you said, it is indeed the best course of...

    As you said, it is indeed the best course of action within the parameters of the time and place the decision was taken. If there was still the option to use the infinitely gauntlet to stop the...
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    There is a right answer if you look at the...

    There is a right answer if you look at the objective results of the two courses of action rather than the state of mind of the person making the choice, something which is utterly irrelevant to the...
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    Scarlet Witch Dr. Strange

    Scarlet Witch
    Dr. Strange
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    Can you please explain to me how it could...

    Can you please explain to me how it could conceivably be better to have two entire universes wiped out instead of only one planet of one of the two universes?
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    Spot on, Habis. It's like the posters lamenting...

    Spot on, Habis. It's like the posters lamenting the deaths of the people on each planet which as destroyed keep forgetting that those people would have died anyway a few minutes/hours later, along...
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    Dr. Strange Monica Rambeau Cannonball Silver...

    Dr. Strange
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    How are they "almost villains"?

    How are they "almost villains"?
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    As long as the Queen can only go on one of them...

    As long as the Queen can only go on one of them it may be sufficient, no?
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    I agree that they should have brought in more...

    I agree that they should have brought in more people, but we can't assume that they would have been free to work on the source problem rather than the incursions themselves if they had, because we...
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