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    And that's the way many fans want it to be. They...

    And that's the way many fans want it to be. They don't see the problem there.
  2. Some of it goes back to the 60's "let it all hang...

    Some of it goes back to the 60's "let it all hang out" mentality, which was better than hiding anything considered shameful away, but still an extreme. Things ought to be judged by their...
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    Which actually makes the point, men are about...

    Which actually makes the point, men are about strength and women are about sex. That is the very issue.




    That's been the problem people are talking about, that because it's always been that...
  4. Probably mine, too, since I re-read it at times.

    Probably mine, too, since I re-read it at times.
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    As an example: ...

    As an example:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun

    "Abū Zayd ‘Abdu r-Raḥmān bin Muḥammad bin Khaldūn Al-Ḥaḍrami" is his actual name (well, the English version of it).

    Ibn (or bin,...
  6. I agree about population, I don't think it's...

    I agree about population, I don't think it's sustainable, but I don't condemn it morally. I don't know, I think some of the other problems flow from that and better communication tech. More people...
  7. No, you can't. You can document CHANGE, and then...

    No, you can't. You can document CHANGE, and then claim it's all bad. Although it IS interesting that your "documenting" is ideological myth. See below.



    This is ridiculous. Not only is it...
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    I think this is exactly true. Largely anyone who...

    I think this is exactly true. Largely anyone who wants to be reading comics as they are now is, so if they want new readers, they need new things.



    At the time, it was a better alternative...
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    I've even heard them say they would never read a...

    I've even heard them say they would never read a digital comic. Bizarre.



    Exactly, and it's a pretty bigoted attitude. As if SWM characters are any less a choice than other options?



    I...
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    Doesn't work that way. Because the point is to...

    Doesn't work that way. Because the point is to draw in NEW readers, who might read the books if they think the character is like them, or of interest to them. Otherwise they get the same readers...
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    Of course, the old "all that matters is what I...

    Of course, the old "all that matters is what I want to matter" point. At this point in a discussion, it's futile to continue. No one is listening.
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    Are you following the actual discussion here?...

    Are you following the actual discussion here? Because you don't seem to be.
  13. I agree, and I think morality has progressed. The...

    I agree, and I think morality has progressed. The problem a lot of people seem to have is that they cling to the idea that "morality" is (and only is) what they were brought up to believe. It's the...
  14. The point is actually stronger. HE may have been...

    The point is actually stronger. HE may have been right, but people make those same points throughout history, and are far more often wrong. It's like people doing something pseudoscientific and...
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    But, the thing I've noticed is what "feels...

    But, the thing I've noticed is what "feels forced" often depends on your ideology or worldview. Just having characters NOT be SWMs is often enough for people to feel it's forced, even when there's no...
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    Old is as much how you look at things as your...

    Old is as much how you look at things as your age. I'm 46. I don't know that there are too few new fans. So far yes, but overall? No clue.
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    Thank you, and I also like it. I always prefer...

    Thank you, and I also like it. I always prefer civility, mostly because I don't like it when I am not. At this point, I'll quit a discussion when I can see that coming.

    As to disagreeing with me,...
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    No one said anything like that.

    No one said anything like that.
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    Wasn't the point, the point was it didn't have to...

    Wasn't the point, the point was it didn't have to have him be a killer, which plenty of people have claimed was necessary to the story.
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    It's no more ridiculous than what people DO say,...

    It's no more ridiculous than what people DO say, that he's responsible for people killed by villains he didn't kill, or people he doesn't save if he quits.
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    Very nice!

    Very nice!
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    True, but during the early 90's there was letter...

    True, but during the early 90's there was letter writers to LoSH complaining about how Laurel Gand was dressed. Among other things. I think comics fans will complain about everything.
  23. No one said it was, but neither is it all bad. ...

    No one said it was, but neither is it all bad.



    Did you miss the quote? People have always thought culture was falling apart, based on it being different from how they grew up, or some...
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    I agree with you on this one. I had never met...

    I agree with you on this one. I had never met anyone who thought he DID kill them until after MoS. At first, I just thought people were making that POV up to "prove" their point, but I've seen...
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    Did you see the article I linked to? Made it...

    Did you see the article I linked to? Made it clear that they wanted him to kill, not that they thought the script called for it.
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