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    Again no one said it did. One person is ruled by...

    Again no one said it did. One person is ruled by emotions. Another is ruled by reason and logic. I find the latter succumbing to bias and prejudice more egregious than the former because the whole...
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    Yes we all know in the story told they were...

    Yes we all know in the story told they were brought together by SHIELD. That is not the question. The argument is that they were necessary for the creation of the Avengers. The former is fact, the...
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    See my above response to XPAC but to add, Thor...

    See my above response to XPAC but to add, Thor wouldn't be working for the U.S. He would be working to protect the 9 Realms. Iron Man wouldn't be working for the U.S. He would be fighting to save...
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    I am not saying it has. I am saying if you...

    I am not saying it has. I am saying if you purport to be one that follows reason and logic, I find you giving into prejudice more egregious that if you didn't.


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    Again you are not really using words correctly. ...

    Again you are not really using words correctly. Saying that SHIELD is the only entity we know assembled the Avengers does not equal saying they are necessary. The former is a Captain obvious...
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    Lol, I already gave you one that you once again...

    Lol, I already gave you one that you once again ignored. The US Government tried to create super soldiers because they wanted an ARMY of super powered people. Captain America was a military hero. ...
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    There is no requirement for me to make an...

    There is no requirement for me to make an argument based on what's in the story particularly when the question is something that didn't happen in the story. As Nick Fury really was the mastermind...
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    Material Flux, We are going in circles so will...

    Material Flux,

    We are going in circles so will just say I categorically disagree with everything you said for the reasons I have already stated and call it a debate. It was fun while it lasted...
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    Of course I know it's television. That doesn't...

    Of course I know it's television. That doesn't preclude me from disliking the character. I am not obligated to like every character on TV.



    She went undercover without having the decency to...
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    So you have basically posed a question you never...

    So you have basically posed a question you never intended to get an answer for? The question you asked is in fact a fan fic question because it asks us to ponder a scenario that didn't happen in the...
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    Lol, let's not be dramatic. It's a fictional...

    Lol, let's not be dramatic. It's a fictional character and I was just being flippant. We all know she is not going to die. And if you really want to know, I dislike her character this season for...
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    I was glad that happened to her. She has been...

    I was glad that happened to her. She has been jerking Fitz around all season. I mean shit, you know how he feels about it so either shut him down or come clean about your own feelings. It's not...
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    Again, you seem to not understand what words...

    Again, you seem to not understand what words actually mean. For something to be necessary, the probability of an outcome in the event said something was not present has to be at or near 0%. So as...
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    I think you missed the point. My evidence is the...

    I think you missed the point. My evidence is the entirety of human history where humans and governments in particular always seek the most powerful weapon. There hasn't been a weapon/power in the...
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    The Avengers could have been assembled without...

    The Avengers could have been assembled without SHIELD. If Nick Fury was simply working with the FBI, CIA, etc. or had some other powerful role in the government, he could have made the same offer to...
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    Material Flux, Something can be important to...

    Material Flux,

    Something can be important to the story even if they are not in the story. We never see Cal single kill a village but the stories of him doing so certainly were important because...
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    The internet is not necessary for human survival...

    The internet is not necessary for human survival but it certainly isn't irrelevant. It serves a purpose. So I think you are misinterpreting the meaning of words. My saying SHIELD is not necessary...
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    It matters because that was what we were talking...

    It matters because that was what we were talking about ie the past. You said Jiaying is why SHIELD needs to exist. But if you want to discuss the future then yes as you said we will have to wait...
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    Material Flux, Not sure you can claim they are...

    Material Flux,

    Not sure you can claim they are not important when they influence the actions of Jiaying which the story clearly proves they do because the story clearly states she feared people...
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    I am not arguing that things change without...

    I am not arguing that things change without SHIELD. I am arguing against them being necessary. They are not. And yes if SHIELD vanishes something else will replace them. Not because they are...
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    SHIELD allowed HYDRA to work on a scale that...

    SHIELD allowed HYDRA to work on a scale that wouldn't have been possible without it. That is the problem. And again, Inhumans existed for centuries without conflict. Your argument would hold more...
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    Material Flux Whether they appeared or not is...

    Material Flux

    Whether they appeared or not is irrelevant. They exist and the story makes clear Jiaying is accountable to them. You can't cherry pick what aspects of the story to accept...
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    Never claimed she shouldn't be killed. Simply...

    Never claimed she shouldn't be killed. Simply that SHIELD/HYDRA bear some responsibility for her actions. And no, she is why SHIELD shouldn't exist. She had been living for centuries without...
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    I am not talking about mind control. I am...

    I am not talking about mind control. I am talking about suffering from a legitimate mental illness as a result of extreme physical or psychological trauma. And one can be cold and calculating while...
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    Yes I understood what he was saying but you both...

    Yes I understood what he was saying but you both are making assumptions about her having free will. I don't think we have enough information to conclude whether she was sane or insane and she...
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