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    Don't know about current Doc Samson because it...

    Don't know about current Doc Samson because it all depends on the length of his hair but he has at times been able to fight the Hulk. Cage has done things well above his stated strength level...
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    For me, their most memorable fight was one of the...

    For me, their most memorable fight was one of the early ones where Spider-Man got the Rhino to exhaust himself trying to hit him until the Rhino collapsed. So the Rhino's energy supply is not...
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    Yes, yes. But it's sort of like a game I...

    Yes, yes. But it's sort of like a game I remember about the Vietnam War where the author said that you should make up a character with a highly developed background so he comes across as a real...
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    Yes. True. Having an alternate reality Superman...

    Yes. True. Having an alternate reality Superman kill while running regular main DCU stories where he doesn't is different. Nobody thinks of that as the "real" Superman. It can even be stated that...
  5. Poll: There have been all sorts of terms invented to...

    There have been all sorts of terms invented to cover stuff like this.

    For instance, there is *ahem* "hard" science fiction to cover plausible stuff and "soft" science fiction that isn't plausible...
  6. Poll: Yes it is all semantics because what he fits into...

    Yes it is all semantics because what he fits into depends upon how you define science fiction. By, say, the John W. Campbell definition, neither Star Trek nor Superman would be. Basically, the...
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    You are causing me to have visions of Bugs Bunny...

    You are causing me to have visions of Bugs Bunny in a dress now. I am having the same reaction as Yosemite Sam did.
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    All true but once you go that route, Superman's...

    All true but once you go that route, Superman's abilities are magic and all comic book abilities are magic regardless of officially being science based.

    Yes about the best you can do is accept...
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    Yeah, that's the one thing I think I and a lot of...

    Yeah, that's the one thing I think I and a lot of people hated about that game, that your character is inevitably doomed to NPC land sooner or later.
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    Yeah, at this point, it become a Philosophy...

    Yeah, at this point, it become a Philosophy debate. You can argue it either way. SW sort of presented the Beyonder as even beyond TOAA OR there is also evidence that could indicate he wasn't really...
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    Popeye could probably solo every version of the...

    Popeye could probably solo every version of the Hulk at once. Didn't Popeye yank the Moon down or stars or something? Assuming Popeye's powers were enhanced exponentially as a Hulk, he'd be...
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    In the Lovecraftian universe, Cthulu I guess had...

    In the Lovecraftian universe, Cthulu I guess had some sort of effect of making people realize how small and meaningless they were and possibly making them realize that order is an illusion we create...
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    Indeed one of the most interesting things is that...

    Indeed one of the most interesting things is that he is a god who can do almost anything but imposes solid limits on himself. He is terrified of letting loose and what he might do because no one can...
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    Going with Pre-retcon Beyonder, TOAA really...

    Going with Pre-retcon Beyonder, TOAA really couldn't. What TOAA was implied to be was indeed the Supreme Deity of the entire Marvel Multiverse but "Secret Wars" presented that as being "as a drop of...
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    Well, on the "Beyonder vs. Ridiculous Teams"...

    Well, on the "Beyonder vs. Ridiculous Teams" thread, he did say that the Living Tribunal could not do anything to the Beyonder though the LT was merely the first opponent in the gauntlet. But I...
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    Both of those sites come up with no content. ...

    Both of those sites come up with no content.

    Anyway, is the Tribunal clearly above the brothers? If so, since the Beyonder was clearly above the LT, this becomes more or less a stomp thread.
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    I suddenly realize what part of the problem is...

    I suddenly realize what part of the problem is here, at least for me and probably many others. Just about everyone who was around back in "the day" read Secret Wars- and probably SW II as well but...
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    Pre-Retcon Beyonder? I don't acknowledge any...

    Pre-Retcon Beyonder? I don't acknowledge any other kind. :)

    Going with the ones I know:

    Living Tribunal: Um, was he in Owen Reeces's closet begging the Molecule Man to fight the Beyonder...
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    Yes how MoS presented the killing was too forced...

    Yes how MoS presented the killing was too forced ala its namesake. The *ahem* execution was horribly done.

    But I don't think there's anything wrong with also having a Superman geared for...
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    Even then, there are problems. At low-end, he's...

    Even then, there are problems. At low-end, he's pretty naive and stupid. At high feats, he outwitted and played Dr. Doom and had tremendous insights into the human condition when he helped Johnny...
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    Yup, an outside universe so large that the Marvel...

    Yup, an outside universe so large that the Marvel multiverse was as a drop of water in an ocean, etc. So even if we think of TOAA as the ultimate power of that multiverse, Beyonder still trumps...
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    I don't know how it is now but I think, at the...

    I don't know how it is now but I think, at the time, Thor was presented as having a huge resistance to reality warping and magic. Dr. Strange before he was nerfed had spells bounce off of Thor.
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  23. So true. Getting back to the original question,...

    So true. Getting back to the original question, of course he does not have to be the first to be inspiring but why take away that status? Since the alternate realities are back, just have an...
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    That thing about DC covers having no relationship...

    That thing about DC covers having no relationship to the story inside was a bit of a joke in those days. They would have some really provocative event on the cover and, if something like that...
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    I understand that. I grew up on the Silver Age...

    I understand that. I grew up on the Silver Age comics and I've read quite a few of the Golden Age ones. I read some of the Bronze Age stuff when it was originally published as well as the early...
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