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    If you like those, maybe you'd like the British comic called Commando?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    If you like those, maybe you'd like the British comic called Commando?
    Don't think I've ever seen that here in the states.

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    I also hope Natasha Romanov/black widow who recently died in secret empire will be return from the dead really soon.
    Unless Scarlett Johansson is no longer going to be in the Marvel movies, I'm guessing the comic book Black Widow won't be dead for too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Metaltron View Post
    Yet he has done things a hell of a lot more full on villainous than the real Eric ever did. Especially siding with HYDRA in Secret Empire, which given the fact his best friend was killed by HYDRA agents felt pretty bad to me. Even the real Eric recognized what a crazed loon Norman Osborn was back in Dark Reign and got out.

    Point is, Eric was always more interesting as a jerk who wishes he could be a hero than a full on villain, which is a position as Black Ant they shoved his LMD counterpart into because they didn't want him competing with Scott when he came back. LMD Eric lacks that tiny spark of morality which keeps him from being a full on bad guy like Black Ant really is. So yeah, I want the real Eric back... or at least no Black Ant around tarnishing his final act which was of heroism.
    nope. We do not have the same understanding of Eric. He didn't want to be a hero. He wanted the perks of being a hero. Kirkman made this very clear. He did not "side" with Hydra. He took the path of least resistance; as always. You could not have missed him telling Taskmaster that he didn't want to hang with racists. You could not have missed that his instincts were to sell the info to Maria Hill. He and Taskmaster have just been biding their time (and bringing the Champions food apparently).

    And a lot of his bad behavior can be blamed on Father's cyber-magical influence. And, again, this is nothing we haven't seen from day one with Eric. You mention his best friend but leave out Eric getting him killed, tarnishing his reputation, and impregnating his girlfriend. You leave out him stealing from a villain and, to show his moral alignment, befriend that villain. Remember when Doc Samson was crazy evil and part of the Intelligencia? Do you remember who activated the device that made him go nuts? Who threatened to kill Luke Cage? Personally I think that you don't get the character. Once you reform him, he no longer has a selling point. He becomes Lang-lite. That is not what I want for the character. He works just fine as villain comic relief; like the Superior Foes of Spider-man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Metaltron View Post
    Pointless to you maybe, but I always preferred Eric as the lovable if jerkish douche who wanted inside to be like Rogers and Stark and the rest. Remember he saved Nick Fury's life on the helicarrier and managed where it mattered to be a decent member of the Secret Avenger prior to his death. I guess I'm happy they've kept his friendship with Taskmaster intact, but I would still prefer the human Eric over his more evil LMD counterpart.
    When I call it pointless, I'm saying that no good came of it. Eric wasn't heralded as a hero. His teammates didn't mourn his loss (further proof that current Black Ant is the real Eric). The Descendants were slaughtered later by Pym. You'll never see Parvez again. So Eric was killed, specifically, to become the Descendants plant on the team. And he regretted the decision; his words.


    He abandons Victoria and his unborn child only to lose his humanity saving a mother and child
    Works to save Bill Foster's digitized soul - now stuck in an artificial body
    He saves Nick Fury - Black Ant executes LMD-Fury
    He burns half of Mitch Carson's face off - he has one side of his face burned off as Black Ant
    There's a beautiful symmetry to Eric's life
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudicatorPrime View Post
    They'd have to figure out a way for White Tiger to share the amulet, wouldn't they? Not sure she's willing to give it up? But then again, the Tiger god is a very powerful deity. I'm sure they could work something out.

    Here's something they should do if another writer decides to revive Sons of The Tiger. I know for the most part they made appearances here and there, but this is how you can give them their abilities back. I read some issues of Deadly Hands of Kung Fu and I noticed that their powers worked once they recited a chant that was inscribed in the back of the amulet. Now what if they recited the chant once again and they still were able to manifest their mystical Kung Fu? I always thought that the Sons somehow internalized the energy of the amulets and are able to utilize the power but only in unison. I would use that approach with The Sons of The Tiger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    When I call it pointless, I'm saying that no good came of it. Eric wasn't heralded as a hero. His teammates didn't mourn his loss (further proof that current Black Ant is the real Eric). The Descendants were slaughtered later by Pym. You'll never see Parvez again. So Eric was killed, specifically, to become the Descendants plant on the team. And he regretted the decision; his words.


    He abandons Victoria and his unborn child only to lose his humanity saving a mother and child
    Works to save Bill Foster's digitized soul - now stuck in an artificial body
    He saves Nick Fury - Black Ant executes LMD-Fury
    He burns half of Mitch Carson's face off - he has one side of his face burned off as Black Ant
    There's a beautiful symmetry to Eric's life
    He's really not the real Eric though, because then he wouldn't be an LMD. Black Ant is effectively copied elements of Eric's personality but minus the sparks of heroism he had developed over time in the Avengers and beyond. It's basically the same as what happened with Superior Spider-Man - Otto realized over time that he simply wasn't the kind of hero Peter was and not capable of matching him, but when he returns it's a copy of his memories from a time sometime before he learnt that lesson. I came to like Eric before his death because he went through a journey, gradually improving, if often backtracking, in his attempts to be a better person. Did he still act like a douche at times and have a bad track record with women? Probably, yes. And you're definitely right about him desiring the perks as much as everything, but he's hardly the only would be hero to be that way.

    Clearly you and I have different takes on the character, though I don't claim to have followed him that much since the Black Ant transformation... he simply isn't the same Eric I liked before. So I would prefer the human Eric back, or at least have them take Black Ant off the board first. Eric was never an actual villain when he was human, and it's not a case of reforming him completely more than him aspiring to be something better, if occasionally under less than moral reasoning. Remember that Eric's relationship with his father - a firefighter and a hero in his own world - defined him to move away from his Vermont routes but also discover SHIELD as a way of reflecting a warped attempt at that heroism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Metaltron View Post
    He's really not the real Eric though, because then he wouldn't be an LMD. Black Ant is effectively copied elements of Eric's personality but minus the sparks of heroism he had developed over time in the Avengers and beyond. It's basically the same as what happened with Superior Spider-Man - Otto realized over time that he simply wasn't the kind of hero Peter was and not capable of matching him, but when he returns it's a copy of his memories from a time sometime before he learnt that lesson. I came to like Eric before his death because he went through a journey, gradually improving, if often backtracking, in his attempts to be a better person. Did he still act like a douche at times and have a bad track record with women? Probably, yes. And you're definitely right about him desiring the perks as much as everything, but he's hardly the only would be hero to be that way.

    Clearly you and I have different takes on the character, though I don't claim to have followed him that much since the Black Ant transformation... he simply isn't the same Eric I liked before. So I would prefer the human Eric back, or at least have them take Black Ant off the board first. Eric was never an actual villain when he was human, and it's not a case of reforming him completely more than him aspiring to be something better, if occasionally under less than moral reasoning. Remember that Eric's relationship with his father - a firefighter and a hero in his own world - defined him to move away from his Vermont routes but also discover SHIELD as a way of reflecting a warped attempt at that heroism.
    I remember a writer who wasn't interested in writing Eric briefly bringing up a firefighter father right before having him beaten to death. It was done because Eric, as he had been, would have run from that fight. There was no mention of his family prior to that. And he was retconned into being from Boston in Seeley's Ant-man and a Wasp mini; where they established that he joined SHIELD because it was easier than going to college. His mother was shown in a flashback; no sign of his dad. Anyways, I understand you being more interested in an Eric on his way to being heroic. But why couldn't they do that with the current character? He's more than a LMD. Father was using some kind of magic to create him. It's not like he can't just choose to be better. Again, the plan was to aid Maria Hill; for profit. An evil person would have given it to Hydra.
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    Ten towards the Top....

    Alpha Flight - The originals and add Pathway.
    Rictor
    Radius
    Bedlam
    U.S. Agent
    Gravity
    The Rangers
    Free Spirit - In a new costume!
    Battlestar
    Thunderstrike (Kevin Masterson)
    "History of the DC Universe" by Wolfman and Perez, when the DCU use to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montressor View Post
    I'm wondering if Jack Flag will be returned to life after Secret Empire--I'm assuming Natasha will.
    After SECRET EMPIRE #10 it's even less likely for Jack Flag to return, much less Natasha/Black Widow {or even Rick Jones}.....

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