View Poll Results: Have The Inhumans Failed Now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    But people think she'd struggle to establish her family's diplomatic immunity ....
    I never said that I've maintained the Inhumans constantly break U.S. laws and live by a double standard when it comes to their own sovereignty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Of course, both those television programs are on FOX-owned networks.
    It's not quite as good a deal as what Sony and Marvel/Disney did regarding Spider-Man.
    certainly not, but the relationship is definitely miles better than it has been.

    i think you can see a reflection of that in the comics as well (suddenly there are loads of x-titles and star creators on them out the wazoo).

    of course that's speculation, and no confirmed correlation between the smoothed relationship btwn parties and the surge in comics content exists, but imo absolutely implied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    Are we going to casually forget the why?

    He invaded a sovereign nation, attacked the royalty of said nation and kidnapped one of it's citizens completely unprovoked. The Inhumans don't take kindly to invasion, but sure, you can act like Medusa protecting her city and responding in a nicer way than Stark deserved, was petty ...
    Medusa used the totality of her kingdom as a propaganda machine to slander and humiliate one man, Tony Stark, as well as attempt to completely tank his company, all strictly in the name of revenge. That's petty as hell, no matter which way you cut it.

    Maybe Medusa shouldn't have been aiding the US Gov't farm out Ulysses as a Minority Report machine that had already led to the death of both Rhodey and Bruce...and perhaps the Queenly thing to do was NOT to use her monarchical powers in a bid to ruin an already-greiving man's life even further in the name of "saving face".
    Last edited by Ravin' Ray; 10-12-2017 at 04:41 AM. Reason: Deleted minor part

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryNotWolf View Post
    Medusa used the totality of her kingdom as a propaganda machine to slander and humiliate one man, Tony Stark, as well as attempt to completely tank his company, all strictly in the name of revenge. That's petty as hell, no matter which way you cut it.

    Maybe Medusa shouldn't have been aiding the US Gov't farm out Ulysses as a Minority Report machine that had already led to the death of both Rhodey and Bruce...and perhaps the Queenly thing to do was NOT to use her monarchical powers in a bid to ruin an already-greiving man's life even further in the name of "saving face".
    Lemme guess, when the X-Men started a all out war over someone invading their sovereign island, it's cool. But since the Inhumans do it, in a much more concise and less damaging way, it's not so cool because it's the Inhumans doing it?

    Give me a break with that double standard bs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    Lemme guess, when the X-Men started a all out war over someone invading their sovereign island, it's cool. But since the Inhumans do it, in a much more concise and less damaging way, it's not so cool because it's the Inhumans doing it?

    Give me a break with that double standard bs.
    I'm not an X-Men fan, I generally don't give a damn about them and my comment in no way involved them, so I'm not sure why you brought them up...but regardless, in AvX, Cyclops responded to a demand of strict capitulation backed by a strong show of force, with a similarly aggressive response in order to protect Hope, while they were trying to prepare for a mutant-kind-saving/world-damning event. Regardless on what side you were on during the event, both X-Men and Avengers acted like idiots without a shred of diplomatic capability.

    Medusa tanked Tony Stark's company and publicly released his private sex tapes after he kidnapped Ulysses, who the Inhumans and US Gov't were using as a machine for predictive "justice", which got his friends killed. Medusa protecting her citizen was fine, but it was the low-down, petty crap that came after in her attempt to save face that was pretty awful and incredibly ignoble, regardless of whatever stupid stuff the X-Men have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryNotWolf View Post
    I'm not an X-Men fan, I generally don't give a damn about them and my comment in no way involved them, so I'm not sure why you brought them up...but regardless, in AvX, Cyclops responded to a demand of strict capitulation backed by a strong show of force, with a similarly aggressive response in order to protect Hope, while they were trying to prepare for a mutant-kind-saving/world-damning event. Regardless on what side you were on during the event, both X-Men and Avengers acted like idiots without a shred of diplomatic capability.

    Medusa tanked Tony Stark's company and publicly released his private sex tapes after he kidnapped Ulysses, who the Inhumans and US Gov't were using as a machine for predictive "justice", which got his friends killed. Medusa protecting her citizen was fine, but it was the low-down, petty crap that came after in her attempt to save face that was pretty awful and incredibly ignoble, regardless of whatever stupid stuff the X-Men have done.
    Medusa wanted to do two things, get Ulysses back and beat down Tony Stark, Carol asked her to not pursue Ulysses so Medusa beat down Tony in a non physical way instead. There is nothing petty about her behaviour, her actions were reserved compared what justifiable retaliation should have been.

    Just because you disagree doesn't change how justified her actions were.

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    For the AvX situation Scott already told Steve if the Avengers attempted to abduct Hope they'll declare it an act of war and retaliate and Steve was like "OK, bruv".

    For the CW2 situation Tony, an American, went behind enemy lines to take back another American citizen from a foreign land because he believed they were holding him under false pretences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    For the AvX situation Scott already told Steve if the Avengers attempted to abduct Hope they'll declare it an act of war and retaliate and Steve was like "OK, bruv".

    For the CW2 situation Tony, an American, went behind enemy lines to take back another American citizen from a foreign land because he believed they were holding him under false pretences.
    That's some revisionism indeed.

    Which for obvious reasons, in print, are completely fabricated.

    Ulysses was approached by the Inhumans and chose to reside in New Attilan, he is an Inhuman and therefore a subject of New Attilan so the Americans have no more claim over him than the Inhumans do, it's dual citizenship and Tony is also not in any kind of official capacity when he invaded a sovereign nation to kidnap one of it's citizens and attacked the royal family in the process.

    False pretentious is also bs, Tony said plainly his intent was to study Ulysses, not to liberate him of some false pretences.

    As for enemy lines, that reeks more of your bias than anything from the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    That's some revisionism indeed.

    Which for obvious reasons, in print, are completely fabricated.

    Ulysses was approached by the Inhumans and chose to reside in New Attilan, he is an Inhuman and therefore a subject of New Attilan so the Americans have no more claim over him than the Inhumans do, it's dual citizenship and Tony is also not in any kind of official capacity when he invaded a sovereign nation to kidnap one of it's citizens and attacked the royal family in the process.

    False pretentious is also bs, Tony said plainly his intent was to study Ulysses, not to liberate him of some false pretences.

    As for enemy lines, that reeks more of your bias than anything from the story.
    Whoa, lad. You're over exaggerating things.

    When Utopia counter-attacked due to the Avengers invading, the X-Men faced repercussions.

    When Atilian counter-attacked against Stark for taking Ulysses, nothing happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Whoa, lad. You're over exaggerating things.

    When Utopia counter-attacked due to the Avengers invading, the X-Men faced repercussions.

    When Atilian counter-attacked against Stark for taking Ulysses, nothing happened.
    I'm not over exaggerating you tried to form a parallel comparing the X-Men and Inhumans islands as enemy lines. The main conflict in CW2 begins because of Tony, the repercussions he experiences are due to his own behaviour and choices.

    Nothing happened to the Inhumans because the Inhumans did precise retaliation ensuring there was no collateral damage, something missing from the AVX comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    I'm not over exaggerating you tried to form a parallel comparing the X-Men and Inhumans islands as enemy lines. The main conflict in CW2 begins because of Tony, the repercussions he experiences are due to his own behaviour and choices.

    Nothing happened to the Inhumans because the Inhumans did precise retaliation ensuring there was no collateral damage, something missing from the AVX comparison.
    There wasn't any of that collateral damage in AvX; the mutants got invaded, their home destroyed and their people were taken as POWs.

    Tony took Ulysses. No punishment was applied to the Inhumans because no one came to Tony's aid when his property was being destroyed meaning there was collateral damage. All they had to do was take Ulysses back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    There wasn't any of that collateral damage in AvX; the mutants got invaded, their home destroyed and their people were taken as POWs.

    Tony took Ulysses. No punishment was applied to the Inhumans because no one came to Tony's aid when his property was being destroyed meaning there was collateral damage. All they had to do was take Ulysses back.
    The Avengers interfering in AVX caused a series of events that lead to the phoenix force splitting up, forming a global dictatorship, later being consolidated in Cyclops and murdering prof x. But sure no collateral damage at all.

    The Inhumans only destroyed Tony's personal property, why would someone come to Tony's aid because the Inhumans destroyed his classic car collection?

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    You're encompassing the entire AvX event.

    I'm asking if it's justified for the X-Men to get punished because their counterattack against the Avengers endangered regular people; why is it justified that nothing happens to the Inhumans when they attacked Stark's property located in New York where regular people are around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    You're encompassing the entire AvX event.

    I'm asking if it's justified for the X-Men to get punished because their counterattack against the Avengers endangered regular people; why is it justified that nothing happens to the Inhumans when they attacked Stark's property located in New York where regular people are around?
    The Inhumans never attacked Stark property in New York, all of their attacks were targeted on empty buildings in empty areas as to only hurt Stark financially.

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    The Inhumans never attacked Stark property in New York, all of their attacks were targeted on empty buildings in empty areas as to only hurt Stark financially.
    This is so stupid. They attack NY but there's not a single person around? Yeah sure...

    Then again, this a Marvel problem not an Inhuman problem. It's kind of how X-GOLD moved to Central Park, and we're suppose to act like it's a good idea and we'll be shocked if anyone gets hurt as a result.

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