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    Default Azzarello & Jurgens on the Creative Alchemy of DC's "Futures End"

    Brian Azzarello & Dan Jurgens, half the writing team of DC's new weekly series, talk the challenges of telling a story that drags the DCU forward in time.


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    I think the biggest issue I have with this series is like Age of Ultron, it's all one giant what if thing. We know that the large majority of these changes in the future won't happen because in fives years of comic writing the editors and writers will have changed and they might not want Superman being a robot or such. So by definition, very little of it really matters, outside a place for fans to see the Wildstorm types or Batman Beyond.

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    That's a problem nowadays for the Big 2. They put so much product out there that fans have separated it into 2 categories: books that"matter" and "don't matter". If it's not firmly tied to continuity, not enough people will care. The story itself becomes secondary. If something is good, how much should it matter where it fits in continuity. Of course, I'm not saying Futures End will be good but it sounds interesting.

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    I'll give it a chance but I'm mostly concerned about the fact that it's apparently coming out weekly?

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    I think this is going to be good and I'm looking forward to seeing Grifter and Terry along with all of the other B and C list characters getting some time in the spotlight.

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    So guys, do you care for continuity? Would you read an ongoing that disregards a lot of previous material?

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    I think it will be at the least interesting if not exciting. However, with three weeklies that's a massively expensive run for a month. Plus with DC's publishing schedule for trades...that's a really long time to wait for the story. Debating if my budget can handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star-Lord View Post
    So guys, do you care for continuity? Would you read an ongoing that disregards a lot of previous material?
    I have no problem reading out-of-continuity books, put prefer they be advertised as such. The same goes for the opposite. Future's End is being touted as "world changing" and something that the rest of the DCU will hinge on going forward, but I was burned by Countdown already so I'm a little apprehensive...
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    Just because the Future Timeline will be averted does not mean there will not be ramifications from this story. Look at Age of Ultron, they broke the Space-Time-Multiverse with their antics, which is directly causing issues months, perhaps even years, later.

    Notice what Azz said at the end, "We're not going to crash back into the DCU. We're going to drag the DCU along with us." That does not sound like this is going to just be an out of time story. Given all the inklings to a Crisis even in 2015, it would make sense that a weekly about a dystopian future (and a weekly about Earth 2's collapse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Metaltron View Post
    I think the biggest issue I have with this series is like Age of Ultron, it's all one giant what if thing. We know that the large majority of these changes in the future won't happen because in fives years of comic writing the editors and writers will have changed and they might not want Superman being a robot or such. So by definition, very little of it really matters, outside a place for fans to see the Wildstorm types or Batman Beyond.
    The thing is though, we obviously no something big happens in this series and World's End that will lead to a huge event next April so obviously this isn't a what if. And just like Age Of Ultron, just because it's a time jumping story doesn't mean it's a what if. The end of Age Of Ultron lead to Angela coming to the Marvel Universe and the huge Cataclysm event in the Ultimate Universe. And also, what does it matter either way if nothing chances? You should be interested in the story first and the continuity later.

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    I'm not big on Dystopian futures, but I do like how lesser used characters are going to be getting another shot in this (even if that wasn't their goal). I can't decide whether to commit to this weekly or not
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    I am not picking these weeklies up and here are my reasons why.
    First, it is to much of an economic commitment. Plain and simple.
    Second, one look at the preview of Future's End and I hate what I see. The icing on the cake was seeing Black Canary's head embedded in Frankenstein's chest. Even all the robotics look like torture porn for our characters.
    Thirdly, even is this is somehow tied to continuity and something that happens next spring, some how I do not think reading every issue of this will be paramount to that story next year.
    Fourth, I do see this as an elseworld fantasy story that is really disguised as a big money grab for DC, which I for one do not want to engage or help promote with my money.
    Fifth, I would rather have more monthly books about the current DCU, like Shazam, Booster Gold, Plastic Man, Metal Men, Doom Patrol, etc.
    Sixth, In the same vein, I would prefer a second Earth 2 book about heroes on it now, today, not some story about Earth 2's end and how horrible it will be in their future, where is the fun and wonder in that.
    I could go on, but I won't. Let me just say, these are my opinions (that some may share), and I am not trying to be controversial, or begin a nit picking thread, but I do want to remind people that we do vote with our dollars and if this is something you want to see from DC then buy it, if not save your money, DC will figure it out in the end.

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    I plan on reading this weekly series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ossie View Post
    I'll give it a chance but I'm mostly concerned about the fact that it's apparently coming out weekly?
    It has been a weekly since it was announced?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonPiece View Post
    And also, what does it matter either way if nothing chances? You should be interested in the story first and the continuity later.
    I mean no disrespect but you should not EVER tell another fan what he should be interested in. if someone prefers continuity over story then thats their decision to make, not yours. And you should not come down on someone over what they prefer but respect the fact that not everyone shares your views. Again, I mean no offense, just rubbed me the wrong way seeing you telling others what they should be interested in.

    As for me, I am big on continuity myself. I really love a shared universe that shares the same continuity and I prefer my comic books to be part of a larger continuity and universe. That being said I dont limit myself only to main continuity. Several of my most favorite series such as Smallville or Injustice are not part of the DCnU continuity but are part of other continuities instead (However its very important to me that the continuities within these different universes are respected and not violated) and even though they are not part of the DCnU, I still really love several DC series and books that belong to the pre-New 52 continuity. But yeah maintaining a cohesive (at least as much as possible) continuity is very important to me with the main comics.

    I dont have a problem with epic, dystopian stories and universes which in the end get prevented or returned back to the way they were. Days of Future Past is one of my most favorite comics, I absolutely loved Age of Ultron or Angel: After the Fall even though they in the end prevented that future from happening. That really isnt the point of those stories for me. Its not so much about where it ends up, but its about the experiences of the characters and what they have to go through to prevent those terrible futures. In many cases the characters remember what happened even though the future got prevented. In Angel: ATF, the entire city of Los Angeles remembered everything that happened in hell, even though technically that never happened in the end. These stories maybe massive disaster epics on the outside but the heart of these stories to me really is the characters and their experiences during the story. Wolverine killing Hank Pym in AoU was huge and for him to see what this did to the world or for Hank to see what his creation Ultron would unleash - even though in the end they found a way to change things, that experience and to see what the characters go through to make this possible is really what those stories are about for me. Its not really about the fact if the world will be spared and in the end its like it never happened for the world. To me its about the characters, their suffering, their tough choices and sacrifices and the emotional experiences. And thats why I loved AoU. In fact I would have hated it if the AoU-future would have not been prevented in the end, just like I would have hated it if the Flashpoint reality would have not been prevented in the end. I want the world safe and spared in the end. Because I believe in my heroes victory over the darkness. To me its rather about how to get there.

    Thats why Terminator 3 and 4 didnt really work as well as T2 for me. In T2 the bad future was prevented at the end and mankind was safe and thats what I , as a viewer wanted. But the heart of T2 was really about the characters, their journeys and experiences and ultimately their sacrifices to make sure it has a happy end.

    That being said, I must admit that "Futures End" doesnt really excite me very much. I dont buy weekly comic series because its way too expensive for me. And that whole imagery of our beloved heroes being some weird cyborg-hybrid thingies really turns me off. The notion of seeing the DCU 5 years into the future is VERY cool (Its a concept I myself have visited in several fan fiction stories) but so far this isnt exactly what I would like for the future DCU to look like.

    Another reason why I am rather turned off is that I am not big on B and C-list characters. They undoubtedly have their fans but my favorite characters are mostly A-listers : Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Deathstroke, Joker, Doomsday, Batgirl etc.

    Also I always HATED the concept of Batman Beyond (sorry to all BB fans, but to me the only Batman should always be Bruce Wayne). I would love me some big DCU event (Unlike most, I still really love those event stories), starring all of the big names instead. I mean no disrespect to the fans of the lesser known characters, its just not my cup of tea. So this series doesnt really seem to be tailored very well for me. I do however hope that it can excite those, who are looking forward to it.

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