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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    Same for me. Rucka's entire second run on the character paled vastly in comparison to his first.
    Agreed, but then again, post-crisis Diana had...something her n52 counterpart lacked.

    I still take it over Azzarello and Finch, though.

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    I also disliked how Perez aged up both Etta and Steve and paired them off. Not to mention pretty much his entire run. Phil Jimenez's, too.
    His current approval rating is 34%, meaning 34% of Americans are still morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    We all had those moments of why did they do that or hated moments of a comic characters. This can also include the writers or editing choices they made.
    Well of course, there was this... at the time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    I find your last sentence quite interesting considering that's exactly what Azzarello did. He axed everything that came before him and left so many unresolved plotlines(i.e. Diana becoming the God of War). While I loved Rucka's 2nd run, I wish he would have wrapped up a few more plot-lines as well.
    No it was not. Azzarello had one main story to tell, the one revolving around Diana, Zola and the First Born and he resolved that story, everything else was paths other people could come and work on later on if they wished. Rucka set up a big mystery about everything being a lie and then just didn't bother finishing that story and instead do one about his bland businesswoman, at the end we still dont know who made the New 52 Themyscira, we dont know why it was there or how it could be there hundreds of years before Diana was even born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside_85 View Post
    No it was not. Azzarello had one main story to tell, the one revolving around Diana, Zola and the First Born and he resolved that story, everything else was paths other people could come and work on later on if they wished. Rucka set up a big mystery about everything being a lie and then just didn't bother finishing that story and instead do one about his bland businesswoman, at the end we still dont know who made the New 52 Themyscira, we dont know why it was there or how it could be there hundreds of years before Diana was even born.
    I'm a bit confused (not meant sarcastically)

    The gods created the Azzarelloverse in order to fool Diana into believing she was home in order to prevent her from trying to get home.

    Her true family and background were shown in the issues that Nicola Scott drew versus the revealing of the lies in Liam's books.

    The sons of Ares wanted to free their father and had to get to Themyscira to do it, so they tried to get Diana to go home, then they enlisted mortal aid in order to get to Themyscira and Ares.

    I'm honestly confused over what part of that plot wasn't finished. I'm not saying whether you (or I) liked the plot or the way it ended, but it seemed pretty finished to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    Well of course, there was this... at the time...

    Beautiful art, beautiful moment, and so what if its completely the wrong thread for it as I'm happy to look at it any time!
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    Let's see...
    The Finch run.
    Rucka's first run aborted in favour of Heinberg's nostalgia parade.

    Jodi Picoult and that time Diana couldn't gas up her car or work a turnpike in the subway because she is soooo far removed from being human.

    Rucka's second run erasing Azzarello. Probably the only thing Rucka has ever done for any publisher that I have no particular desire to own.

    Heroclix doing a Wonder Woman themed set with only like 20% of the figures actually related to Wonder Woman.
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    Jodi Picoult and that time Diana couldn't gas up her car or work a turnpike in the subway because she is soooo far removed from being human.
    I'm for, and prefer, a characterization of Diana that leans on the slightly aloof side because the stark differences between her home and "Man's World", but this is greatly pushing it. These things are day one problems learned by day two, generally. I do though like it if there are still some fundamental cultural and philosophical gaps that persist even into the present day.

    I don't know how popular an idea even that is though.
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    You'd be surprised how many people I know from New Jersey don't know how to gas up their own cars (state policy here, makes it so a gas station worker needs to do it, idk why, create jobs or something).

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    I've never understood all the hate for the Picoult "gas pumping" scene. I didn't learnt to drive until I was 45 and I had to be shown how to do it, a couple of times. It's not like it's intuitive. Did everyone else just figure it out on their own? I doubt it.

    I really hated the Byrne run. I hated how ineffectual Diana was. The only time she had true "victories" was when she allowed herself be tortured by LeFay and Cheetah. Every other time it was somebody else. Did anyone notice during the Neron scenes, Diana spends the ENTIRE TIME tied up and does nothing useful? It's Cassie and Artemis who figure out how to defeat him, and he retaliates by killing Diana. She never laid a hand on him (or Darkseid, for that matter, even after he slaughtered hundreds of Amazons, all for nothing.)

    Then wow, he powers her up into a goddess! (after having her brains pulled out her head-- there was a lot of torture porn going on in these issues, too.) He powers her up and she-- saves a guy from a tiger. Wow. Thrilling.

    I hated the Jimenez run. I hated how he made it into a soap opera. Julia slapping Diana, Diana shrieking at Trevor Barnes, Diana suddenly jealous of her mother. It wasn't drama, it was drama queen. I hated how the stories were literally about nothing. #170 was just a laundry list with no real detail, no real theme at its core beyond "she has contradictions." #172 was a convoluted explanation of "Our Worlds at War," when it should have focused on Hippolyte. His conflicts were so easily resolved. Oh my God, Circe has turned all the males into animals! Gee, too bad she forgot to get rid of Zatanna, who immediately made a bunch of moly. Oh my God, Villainy Incorporated has taken over Atlantis and the have 10 years to plot against Wonder Woman! But they have no plan, and he just punches them out.

    I hated how Diana shrieked at Donna, "you're so obtuse!" during the Clayface 2-parter.

    I hated Diana in New Frontier. I liked the book, but not Diana. I hate how she's gloating at Superman in the beginning, but how in her storyline she's brought to heel and eventually grateful and fawning over Superman. I mean, she's literally told to go home by Richard Nixon, and she's so wounded, she does! What? Diana's mission is from the gods, not the US government. And just the fact that the Civil War is going on, and Diana would just step aside while blacks are being lynched in the South, is unconscionable. Also, that she has no of her own supporting cast-- despite Steve being a huge part of her Silver Age history-- simply so she could be paired with Superman, is awful.

    Finch. No skill as a writer, no ideas. The worst.
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    I don't really hate anything
    Also visit my blog where I expose Wonder Woman for the criminal she is!

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    Wonder-Family counts for this, right? If so:

    - Johns' warping of Cassie Sandsmark, resulting in us not getting a properly written Cassie in the comics for 14 years now.

    - Graduation Day. Donna and Cassie were both in it and Donna died. It counts. And it's among DC's worst books of all time.

    - The Superman/Wonder Woman romance and the Cassie/Kon romance. (I LOVED the build up of the latter's relationship, but Johns just threw everything that made the two compatible out the window.)

    - Amazon's Attack

    - Any and all examples of sexism in the franchise.

    -Azz's run.
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    Now how far is the sexism for you? Because some of the amazons are sexist and the Banas are some of that example. If do well they can tackle a story dealing with characters who are that way. Unless it's Azz because the amazons didn't change at all or learn
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    Now how far is the sexism for you? Because some of the amazons are sexist and the Banas are some of that example. If do well they can tackle a story dealing with characters who are that way. Unless it's Azz because the amazons didn't change at all or learn
    That's not what I meant. I was referring to the sexist views of male writers making their way into Wonder Woman stories.
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