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    Default MCU Captain America vs Cassandra Cain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masonicon View Post
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    Cass destroys Steve. She's just WAAAAAAAAY too fast for him and definitely hits hard enough to break him eventually. It's not a one-shot or anything, based on Steve's frankly superhuman soak, but he's just too slow.

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    Superior speed, body reading, pressure points, advantage Cassie.

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    What Nik (and big, but more Nik because pressure points) said. Cap takes a nap. He doesn't have the speed or the skill to avoid her strikes to pressure points, and she hits more than hard enough to make them stick.

    And he's not touching her before that happens.
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    Can she use pressure points through body armor?

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    She can shatter (literally - shards flying everywhere) a high-quality steel sword held in the hands of a master (Shiva) mid-combat (so, not rigidly locked in place) with fingertip strikes - the soft armor isn't going to help against that kind of hit.

    Also, I'll note his armor isn't full-coverage. As an example, she has used a comic book point that's in the throat area to completely paralyze someone. Cap is lacking armor there.

    ...failing all of that, she does what big_adventure suggests, and beats all hell out of him. Her missed strikes shatter 6" thick gravestones and tear through iron pipes; she kicks through exterior walls of prison buildings; she shatters 3" thick fused quartz; she treats bullet-proof glass like a minor inconvenience; she draws blood from bullet-proof metas. Cap is tough, and it'll take a while, but she has the speed, the skill, the body-reading, the hitting power, and the endurance to spare.
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    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
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    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
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    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
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    Ehh.. Cap really does not have any armor to note.
    It really does all of jack to even lessen an attack.
    As mentioned above, she wrecked him with speed and tears him down over time.

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    A Cap thread where he dies horribly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrile Demonthyst View Post
    Ehh.. Cap really does not have any armor to note.
    It really does all of jack to even lessen an attack.
    As mentioned above, she wrecked him with speed and tears him down over time.
    If his armor is worthless, she just pressure points him. Done.
    Why Are We Here?, by Pendaran

    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
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    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
    - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
    - Pendaran

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    Pre Nu Cassie stomps MCU Steve.
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    Cass destroys comic Captain America too, let alone the MCU version.

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    Let's be fair here. If Steve lands a solid shot Cass is down if not dead.

    That is just a really major if, and she has all the edges aside from durability and striking power to a frightening degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    If his armor is worthless, she just pressure points him. Done.
    Functionally, yes.
    We never see it do anything at all. Cap is well more durable than the armor is.
    The only thing it ever really absorbs is similar to how Hulk's pants are indestructible. Otherwise we have a naked Chris Evans wandering around in every movie and, while that is not a bad thing, it is no longer PG13.

    It is safe to say she handles him pretty easily.
    His durability is significant but he has no defense against pressure points and I am sure she can pressure point say... Class 2ish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretic View Post
    Let's be fair here. If Steve lands a solid shot Cass is down if not dead.

    That is just a really major if, and she has all the edges aside from durability and striking power to a frightening degree.
    Is she? She's kept fighting (briefly) with a knife through the heart. After a couple of days of fighting non stop, before the others start landing hits

    She's also done things like punch her way through prison walls and shatter steel pipes, make people who bounce attempted suicide headshots/ crumpling bullets from guns held to their temples go "Ow", shattered swords and bullet proof glass ....
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