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    Default Batman & Cassie Cain vs Daredevil & Elektra

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    Cass takes down Matt, while Bruce deals with Elektra. Mid-High difficulty for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assam View Post
    Cass takes down Matt, while Bruce deals with Elektra. Mid-High difficulty for both.
    I knew you would be one of the first people on here. lol

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    It's Cass vs. Matt and Electra basically. Batman's too slow to otherwise be of much worth.

    That said ... Cass is arguably faster than the both of them, if only slightly. She toys with bullets, whereas Matt barely dodges sniper fire, and Electra is just a tad slower than Matt. With her body reading, and pressure points ... she may well take a majority here.
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    Nah, Matt alone would make a fight of it against Cass, and has his own body-reading skills. Cass might beat him 1 on 1 about 7/10, but I can't see her taking two legit bullet-timers who are both insanely skilled. It's just too much.

    But yeah, Bruce is a dead man in waiting here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh View Post
    It's Cass vs. Matt and Electra basically. Batman's too slow to otherwise be of much worth.

    That said ... Cass is arguably faster than the both of them, if only slightly. She toys with bullets, whereas Matt barely dodges sniper fire, and Electra is just a tad slower than Matt. With her body reading, and pressure points ... she may well take a majority here.
    Hey, now. Batman is too slow here. I find that refreshing. And Cassie basically takes out the estranged love birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    Nah, Matt alone would make a fight of it against Cass, and has his own body-reading skills. Cass might beat him 1 on 1 about 7/10, but I can't see her taking two legit bullet-timers who are both insanely skilled. It's just too much.

    But yeah, Bruce is a dead man in waiting here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Old School Ollie 1962 View Post
    Hey, now. Batman is too slow here. I find that refreshing. And Cassie basically takes out the estranged love birds.
    Mm, Beadle brought up a good point. Matt does have body-reading of his own; and the speed difference isn't so large Cass is pasting him before Electra kills Bruce and moves in. Though to be fair, I don't know much about Matt beyond the general, (speed, skill, blind guy with sticks), so being wrong on that isn't too surprising.

    But yea, Batman will have roughly enough time to register the fight's started, before Electra breaks his neck. Though he may manage an, "I'M THE GODDAMN BATMAN", before crumpling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh View Post
    Mm, Beadle brought up a good point. Matt does have body-reading of his own; and the speed difference isn't so large Cass is pasting him before Electra kills Bruce and moves in. Though to be fair, I don't know much about Matt beyond the general, (speed, skill, blind guy with sticks), so being wrong on that isn't too surprising.

    But yea, Batman will have roughly enough time to register the fight's started, before Electra breaks his neck. Though he may manage an, "I'M THE GODDAMN BATMAN", before crumpling.
    Isn't Batman a bullet timer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School Ollie 1962 View Post
    Isn't Batman a bullet timer?
    Oh gods no.

    Folks have tried hereabouts, but you've got a guy with 70+ years of comic book feats, and maybe twenty feats we'd consider "legitimate" bullet-timing. When it's 20 vs 20,000 (obviously approximate), we tend to side with the majority. Less feats you have, more it plays. For instance Gladiator has a handful of feats, and of that handful, he's got a few speed-feats, a ton of strength and durability feats, and almost nothing to counter them. So we give them the feats he's got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh View Post
    Oh gods no.

    Folks have tried hereabouts, but you've got a guy with 70+ years of comic book feats, and maybe twenty feats we'd consider "legitimate" bullet-timing. When it's 20 vs 20,000 (obviously approximate), we tend to side with the majority. Less feats you have, more it plays. For instance Gladiator has a handful of feats, and of that handful, he's got a few speed-feats, a ton of strength and durability feats, and almost nothing to counter them. So we give them the feats he's got.
    The Bat Mystique. Although Batman doesn't murder, he gets away with murder. Maybe it's not so bad now. JLA animated series had him dodging and ducking Darkseid's Omega beams. Last issue of Batman I read, Bruce was controlling the Mobius Chair. I said that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh View Post
    Oh gods no.

    Folks have tried hereabouts, but you've got a guy with 70+ years of comic book feats, and maybe twenty feats we'd consider "legitimate" bullet-timing. When it's 20 vs 20,000 (obviously approximate), we tend to side with the majority. Less feats you have, more it plays. For instance Gladiator has a handful of feats, and of that handful, he's got a few speed-feats, a ton of strength and durability feats, and almost nothing to counter them. So we give them the feats he's got.
    Twenty?
    I thought it was like... one? or two? Heh...

    But yeah... DD is not a ton slower than Cass, but he is noticeably slower.
    I guess this comes down to if you believe the speed difference is such that she can handle Matt plus another BT.

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    The only characters that should be dodging bullets are magic wielders, mutants, aliens, and victims of accidental radiation exposure or scientific experiments gone awry that give them super speed and agility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Wolf View Post
    The only characters that should be dodging bullets are mutants, aliens, and victims of accidental radiation exposure or scientific experiments gone awry that give them super speed and agility.
    Where does Cassandra Cain fit in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School Ollie 1962 View Post
    Where does Cassandra Cain fit in?
    She's just like ... REALLY skilled.

    No seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh View Post
    She's just like ... REALLY skilled.

    No seriously.
    She's DC's version of a mutant without saying the word.
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