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    Erik's freedom to do whatever he wants with his book has nothing to do with people's reactions to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Erik's freedom to do whatever he wants with his book has nothing to do with people's reactions to it.
    People read the book because I do whatever I want. They like that literally anything can be on the next page at any time. And, yes, that means sometimes there will be something you don't want to see. It's the nature of the beast.

    I'm not taking dictation here. I'm not a DJ taking requests. It is what it is. And you can read it or not read it and no matter what you choose--I'm totally fine with that.

    I understand that not everybody is going to read my book. And guess what? Everybody isn't going to read any book. That's how freedom of choice works.

    But it's not a porno book now any more than it was a team book now or a comic strip book or an all-splash pages book or a zombie book or a science fiction book or a romance book or any of the dozens of other things I touched on during its run.

    Savage Dragon is my love letter to comics and I like a lot of different kinds of comics, from Miller Daredevil to Lee and Kirby Fantastic Four to Calvin & Hobbes to R Crumb's underground comics and a hundred other things. It's all there, tossed in a giant blender, set to purée.

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    Right, and I think that's great.

    The argument being made was that reactions to content are fucking stupid because blah blah blah (That specific poster isn't worth arguing with) but that isn't true. You do whatever you want, which is great, but people are going to have reactions to extreme content. You're aware of that, but someone else wasn't.

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    This thread was mild-mannered until some nameless poster felt the need to start cursing and insulting the creator of SD. In post number 27, he was the one who felt the need to start cursing with comments like "let alone in your fucking comic". Everyone else who disagreed with his work was even tempered.

    But now that poster is trying to pretend like comments such as, "only a 13 year old would find funny" and "it's juvenile though" were not meant to be insulting toward Larsen. Good job, guy.

    Can someone remind me again why this poster was banned? And why he was allowed to return?

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    I just read the newest issue. Slowly, i warm up to the new location. I vote for a new supporting cast and a few good villains (who should live a bit longer before getting killed). The one in 229 was a good example of done right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanMad1977 View Post
    I just read the newest issue. Slowly, i warm up to the new location. I vote for a new supporting cast and a few good villains (who should live a bit longer before getting killed). The one in 229 was a good example of done right.
    Agreed. Much more interesting villains would help.

    Some people say they find Malcolm a boring character. Fair enough. But the main character can be absolutely boring and the story can still sell. Look at James Bond. Does James Bond have an interesting personality? Nope. James Bond is probably the most boring popular series character of all time. The only things that make James Bond interesting are the locations, the girls, the gadgets, and the villains. Nothing about James Bond is interesting. Even the famous James Bond quotes like "Bond. James Bond." and "Shaken. Not stirred." are boring quotes. They are only memorable because of Sean Connery's accent. The quotes themselves are dead boring. There have been more than half a dozen actors playing James Bond and none of them managed to make the character himself interesting. That's why Daniel Craig can play the character without changing facial expression. How can you change the facial expression of a character who doesn't have a personality?

    So if James Bond himself isn't interesting, what characters makes his stories interesting? The Bond girls? No. They're just eye candy. It's the villains. Without the eccentric villains supplying outlandish adventures, nobody would be interested in James Bond's stories.

    So a story can have a boring main character as long as there is one cool villain to keep the story going. So you're right when you say the story needs good villains that last longer. All the talk about Malcolm being a boring character would be gone if the story had some really cool villains.

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    Absolutely.

    I wonder what will happen on Glums planet. The girls looking for a solution to get Dragon back? Thats exciting, even if i dont believe in a return of the old Dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Sex is normal.

    You know what isn't? Shooting a load so large it sends your wife flying across the room, ending up upside down with cum pouring out of her vagina into her mouth. Let alone drawing that in your fucking comic. Neither of those things are normal, nor are they a healthy depiction of a normal, natural act practiced by adults.
    Nobody argued that things like that are normal in our world--but this isn't our world. You might as well bitch about characters flying or surviving having been smashed through a tree or regrow body parts. None of that sort of thing is "normal" but the book isn't set in a real world and normal sex is--well--normal. There's really no reason to depict normal. Normal is uninteresting. Normal is banal. Normal is dull. Normal is boring. What would even be the point in depicting "normal" sex in a superhero comic book? What a letdown that would be--oh, you mean it's the same as when I awkwardly do it? Who cares?
    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    I have no problem with nudity or sex in comics, but this was the kind of vulgar nonsense a 13 year old would draw and think, 'man, that's funny!'. Guess what? It wasn't. It was juvenile, though.

    So yeah, I can see why people would have objections to that in a comic that's never been like that for the last 200+ issues.
    It's had sexiness throughout though. Issue #17 had Dragon and Rapture naked in a shower. It's not as though it was a kids' book even early on. I was getting mail from younger readers telling me that their parents flipped out when they saw issues 25 years ago--so don't even pretend that this was Archie--because it was not.

    As far as humor goes--that's subjective. One person sees the Three Stooges and thinks they're hilarious--others think it couldn't be more stupid. Who's "right"? That depends on who you ask. Some people find R. Crumb's work super offensive--others think he's a genius and his comics are brilliant.

    Buy what you like--don't buy what you don't like.

    Not every comic book is for you nor should it be. I don't walk out of my local store with armloads of comics every week. I don't love every book. I don't even love every Image book.

    And everything is hit and miss. I don't love every issue and every page of the books I do like uniformly. There are issues I love and issues I don't and when there get to be more don't issues than do issues I start having second thoughts about supporting a title.

    In any case--this isn't the book's bold, new direction or anything. There'll be issues like that and issues nothing like that. I'm not stuck in some rut where I'm forced to repeat myself every month. The book can change completely at my whim. Characters come and go.

    You can read it or not read it. Those are your two options. That's where your decision-making comes into play. I get to decide what does and doesn't go in the book.

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    I recall when I was initially reading SD, everything was pretty PG-13 in terms of sex and language. I'm sure there was no external force keeping the content at a certain age level, but at some point it went from basic cable to HBO and I'm curious about how that decision happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cezar The Scribe View Post
    I'm fine with the violence, because in a superhero comics that will always be there.

    Adult themes don't need to be there.

    Marketed correctly and toned down a comic can reach more people and sell better.
    So Erik should pander to the entitlement crew?

    I can name a lot of books that are good reads but are viewed as PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE because folks take issue with the sex, skin color and sexual identity of the leads. Some for FALSE claims of too much politics in books. Despite the complainers never reading them.

    Those same books like Erik's that are not welcomed at some comic book stores but find audiences elsewhere.


    This was not meant to be a kid's book. NOT at all.

    It shows a character doing what Batman and friends are NOT allowed to do-GROW UP.

    He's not being hailed as the greatest blank at the expense of others like some guy name Hal Jordan nor Mary Sue teammates like Bruce Wayne.

    He's not stuck in man vs monster storylines like a guy named Victor Stone.

    He's a person with a job, family and opinions.

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    I can certainly say, i was never bored with SD. Never. I disliked this and that, yes...but it never got stale. I read a lot of other books, and every once in a while i tend to just look at the pictures and am too lazy to read the word balloons, because its so...yeah boring. SD changes from time to time, and thats good. It can do what coorparate books cant.

    So go for it!

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    I don't want to sound like a previously mentioned 13-year old, but quite honestly, in a present world so drenched in political correctness, it feels SO refreshing to see some raunchiness here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie Blade View Post
    I don't want to sound like a previously mentioned 13-year old, but quite honestly, in a present world so drenched in political correctness, it feels SO refreshing to see some raunchiness here and there.
    Damn right. In a world where everyone HAS to be a political correct, non smoking, slow driving, transgender loving, less drinking, baby sitting son of a candyass....it is really nice to see something for real men!

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    ...y..yeah. Gotta hate that baby sitting. -_-
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    Nothing wrong with baby sitting, but even nothing-wronger with whatever leads to baby sitting :^)

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