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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    Could an argument be made that, immediately following their escape from Gallifrey in the TARDIS, the Doctor and Susan were suffering some sort of post-traumatic shock?

    I say this because, in the early episodes, the Doctor has trouble remembering things, his mind seems scrambled, and he's physically weak--while Suan's nerves seem to be shot, as the slightest thing can set her off with screaming fits, and despite her superior intelligence she often acts like a complete idiot.

    One wonders what the Time Lords did to these two.
    There have been various stories which have explored this period, such as the audio drama The Beginning, but there's been nothing to suggest they affected by PTSD or anything like that. But it's an interesting theory and would be, if given a good writer, a good thing to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy Baxter View Post
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    Definitely dig this one, and it keeps in line with the Ninth Doctor we see in Rose who seemingly pops up at random instances in history.
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    A rather neat essay that defends and gives a possible explanation about 12's massive personality shift after he regenerated from 11.

    http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/fall-of...o-be-72088.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xalfrea View Post
    A rather neat essay that defends and gives a possible explanation about 12's massive personality shift after he regenerated from 11.

    http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/fall-of...o-be-72088.htm
    Interesting. Kudos for the share.

    Do you agree with it yourself, or a different theory?
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    If there are any alternate theories I'd really like to hear them, but honestly the way its presented here...something about it just makes sense. Some of the comments in that same page also do bring up a good point if you look back. The specific environment and circumstances throughout each regen does effect the succeeding one.

    Let's look at the New Who Doctors:

    War-9: Time War trauma as War caused 9 to start out embittered and shaken.
    9-10: 9's adventures with Rose, specifically the Bad Wolf finale stuff, caused 10 to be more romantic towards companions, Rose especially.
    10-11: 10 regenerating alone and unwilling caused 11 to be friendlier towards companions
    11-12: Explained in the article.

    One could make the case for Classic Doctors as well.

    1-2: 1's crotchety behavior, supported by his last adventures defrosting a bit, caused 2 to be younger, happier, and sillier.
    2-3: 2's trial and forced regeneration caused 3 to be more authoritarian
    3-4: 3's time working in authority and straight sense of justice caused 4 to be a bit more anti-authority and slightly out there.
    4-5: 4's longevity and the thing's he's seen, taking part in many stories, caused 5 to be the youngest at this point and be more of a pacifist
    5-6: 5's kindness, willingness to save Peri, and the Spectrox, caused 6 to be madder, grander and more eager to throw himself into the fray. Also may or may not have something to do with Maxil shooting 5.
    6-7: Not sure. If we go just by TV, we can't tell, so maybe we gotta wait for the Big Finish coming this year.
    7-8: 7's chessmaster attitude, duplicity and guile, and possibly being alone in the TV movie, caused 8 to be romantic and full of life.
    8-War: Stuff that happens in Big Finish, plus the events of Night of the Doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xalfrea View Post
    If there are any alternate theories I'd really like to hear them, but honestly the way its presented here...something about it just makes sense. Some of the comments in that same page also do bring up a good point if you look back. The specific environment and circumstances throughout each regen does effect the succeeding one.

    Let's look at the New Who Doctors:

    War-9: Time War trauma as War caused 9 to start out embittered and shaken.
    9-10: 9's adventures with Rose, specifically the Bad Wolf finale stuff, caused 10 to be more romantic towards companions, Rose especially.
    10-11: 10 regenerating alone and unwilling caused 11 to be friendlier towards companions
    11-12: Explained in the article.

    One could make the case for Classic Doctors as well.

    1-2: 1's crotchety behavior, supported by his last adventures defrosting a bit, caused 2 to be younger, happier, and sillier.
    2-3: 2's trial and forced regeneration caused 3 to be more authoritarian
    3-4: 3's time working in authority and straight sense of justice caused 4 to be a bit more anti-authority and slightly out there.
    4-5: 4's longevity and the thing's he's seen, taking part in many stories, caused 5 to be the youngest at this point and be more of a pacifist
    5-6: 5's kindness, willingness to save Peri, and the Spectrox, caused 6 to be madder, grander and more eager to throw himself into the fray. Also may or may not have something to do with Maxil shooting 5.
    6-7: Not sure. If we go just by TV, we can't tell, so maybe we gotta wait for the Big Finish coming this year.
    7-8: 7's chessmaster attitude, duplicity and guile, and possibly being alone in the TV movie, caused 8 to be romantic and full of life.
    8-War: Stuff that happens in Big Finish, plus the events of Night of the Doctor.
    I don't understand your reasoning for why Tens' regeneration surroundings made Eleven how he was, or Five how he was, making Six how he was, but the others mostly make sense, are well enough thought out, observed, so good on you.
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    There's a bit of a problem in the first episode that introduces the Ninth Doctor and that starts the new series. In there, when he sees himself in the mirror, he makes a remark about the ears. People take it that Nine has just newly regenerated (in hindsight, just after the events of the Time War shown in The Day of the Doctor). Yet we also see in Rose that the Ninth Doctor has shown up all over the place in human history--which suggests that Nine has been around for a very long time.

    My solution to this seeming contradiction is that, when we first see the Doctor, he has newly regenerated. At some point during the Rose episode, when he's not on screen, Nine has gone off in the TARDIS and had a bit of a grand tour of space-time [this seems like something that each new regeneration does at both the beginning and the end of his cycle]. So later in the same episode, a lot of time has passed for the Doctor, while little has passed for Rose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    There's a bit of a problem in the first episode that introduces the Ninth Doctor and that starts the new series. In there, when he sees himself in the mirror, he makes a remark about the ears. People take it that Nine has just newly regenerated (in hindsight, just after the events of the Time War shown in The Day of the Doctor). Yet we also see in Rose that the Ninth Doctor has shown up all over the place in human history--which suggests that Nine has been around for a very long time.

    My solution to this seeming contradiction is that, when we first see the Doctor, he has newly regenerated. At some point during the Rose episode, when he's not on screen, Nine has gone off in the TARDIS and had a bit of a grand tour of space-time [this seems like something that each new regeneration does at both the beginning and the end of his cycle]. So later in the same episode, a lot of time has passed for the Doctor, while little has passed for Rose.
    I agree there, whether during Rose or not.

    A slapshod, quickfire tour, and then what we saw in Rose.
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