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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    And here's another possible solution. I wonder if many of these black publications are referable by DC . Are they in the public domain (like Thunder Agents)?
    I believe there questions as to whether those characters are in the public domain or not.
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    Classic Wally had a crappy home life and still never turned to crime unlike his counterpart.
    And pre-CoIE, I don't really remember "Classic Wally" having a "crappy home life".
    That may have been played up more as a post-CoIE retcon once Wally became The Flash.
    (Anybody first remember when Wally's folks were first shown to be so miserable?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I believe there questions as to whether those characters are in the public domain or not.
    I may be wrong about the legal status of the Thunder Agents, but it doesn't change the meaning of my post which is that if these black characters from the Golden Age are usable by DC legally then that would provide a workable option to increase diversity and maintaining historical publishing accuracy.

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    just copypasted off Wikipedia:
    1956: Comics Code Authority tries to censor "Judgment Day"[edit]

    In the 1950s the portrayal of a black man in a position of authority and a discussion of racism in a comic was at the centre of a battle between Entertaining Comics editor William Gaines and the Comics Code Authority, which had been set up in 1954 to self regulate the content of US comics amid fears they were a corrupting influence on youth. Gaines fought frequently with the CCA in an attempt to keep his magazines free from censorship. The particular example noted by comics historian Digby Diehl, Gaines threatened Judge Charles Murphy, the Comics Code Administrator, with a lawsuit when Murphy ordered EC to alter the science-fiction story "Judgment Day", in Incredible Science Fiction #33 (Feb. 1956).[8] The story, by writer Al Feldstein and artist Joe Orlando, was a reprint from the pre-Code Weird Fantasy #18 (April 1953), inserted when the Code Authority had rejected an initial, original story, "An Eye For an Eye", drawn by Angelo Torres[9] but was itself also "objected to" because of "the central character being black."[10]

    The story depicted a human astronaut, a representative of the Galactic Republic, visiting the planet Cybrinia inhabited by robots. He finds the robots divided into functionally identical orange and blue races, one of which has fewer rights and privileges than the other. The astronaut decides that due to the robots' bigotry, the Galactic Republic should not admit the planet. In the final panel, he removes his helmet, revealing himself to be a black man.[8] Murphy demanded, without any authority in the Code, that the black astronaut had to be removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I believe there questions as to whether those characters are in the public domain or not.
    Fairly positive IDW still has the rights.

    Although if it wasn't for Carbonaro, my brother and I would have the rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    I may be wrong about the legal status of the Thunder Agents, but it doesn't change the meaning of my post which is that if these black characters from the Golden Age are usable by DC legally then that would provide a workable option to increase diversity and maintaining historical publishing accuracy.
    Or, DC could just create new minority characters in new stories set in the 1940s.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Or, DC could just create new minority characters in new stories set in the 1940s.
    They certainly could. And have. But some might like to see what was really offered in the day. I'd certainly be one for seeing as much historic accuracy as possible regarding characters.

    Why not use what was there if you could? Yes, some of it might be crap. A lot of Golden Age stuff was, but still it probably didn't all suck.


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    Lion Man has potential:
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    and Jive Gray
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    According to this, Ace Harlem is public domain. And he could have made a nice addition to any hero's p[olice contacts.

    http://pdsh.wikia.com/wiki/Ace_Harlem

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    According to this, Ace Harlem is public domain. And he could have made a nice addition to any hero's p[olice contacts.

    http://pdsh.wikia.com/wiki/Ace_Harlem
    "Public Domain" can be a double-edged sword: if one company publishes those characters in new stories, so can another (like Marvel).
    DC may not really want that. As it is, DC has used characters from other companies (like the Original Captain Marvel) where some of the old stories may fall into the public domain, but DC's use of them has put the characters themselves under DC's control for using them in new material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    "Public Domain" can be a double-edged sword: if one company publishes those characters in new stories, so can another (like Marvel).
    DC may not really want that. As it is, DC has used characters from other companies (like the Original Captain Marvel) where some of the old stories may fall into the public domain, but DC's use of them has put the characters themselves under DC's control for using them in new material.
    Are you arguing against using these characters or some like them, or do you just want to argue legal details? If it's the former, great. Let's see reasons you don't like them. If it's the latter, you're adding nothing to the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    Are you arguing against using these characters or some like them, or do you just want to argue legal details? If it's the former, great. Let's see reasons you don't like them. If it's the latter, you're adding nothing to the conversation.
    I'm saying why DC might not want go that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I'm saying why DC might not want go that route.
    I would agree, and since DC already owns Amazing Man, Tsunami and Wing free and clear and each of them has tons of untapped potential, it doesn't really make much financial sense to bring public domain characters into the DCU in order to add more diversity.

    I really liked what Geoff Johns established for Amazing Man's post-Golden Age career. I would love to see someone explore his life spanning the 1940s to 1970s. Hopefully John Ridley's The Other History of the DC Universe will touch on Amazing Man to lay the groundwork for John Stewart.

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    They've also got Vixen; they could easily introduce Mari's grandmother as a 1940's bearer of the Totem, same way the CW Legends of Tomorrow did.

    And who was wielding the Soul Sword back then, before Katana ended up with it?

    And do we know how long China has had the Great Ten program active? Actually, I want to say that the Socialist Red Guardsman was supposedly around in the 40's.....though it's been a long time and I could be wrong there.

    There's plenty of ways to spin diverse characters into DC's past that maintain connections to the present. Hell, you could take it the other way too; pick one of the Legion members and introduce their ancestor in the 21st century. They're doing it with the Terrifics right now, and there's no reason they couldn't do it with Dawnstar or someone.

    And they really need to do something with Amazing Man. He's got a great powerset, a interesting and uncommon color scheme, and one of the best, most retro names imaginable. That DC just lets that character sit on the shelf is damn criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    . . . There's plenty of ways to spin diverse characters into DC's past that maintain connections to the present. Hell, you could take it the other way too; pick one of the Legion members and introduce their ancestor in the 21st century. They're doing it with the Terrifics right now, and there's no reason they couldn't do it with Dawnstar or someone.

    And they really need to do something with Amazing Man. He's got a great powerset, a interesting and uncommon color scheme, and one of the best, most retro names imaginable. That DC just lets that character sit on the shelf is damn criminal.
    We live in the 21st century these days.

    If you want to go into DC's "past", you need to aim more for the 20th century (which for DC would cover the 1930s through the year 2000).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    They've also got Vixen; they could easily introduce Mari's grandmother as a 1940's bearer of the Totem, same way the CW Legends of Tomorrow did.

    And who was wielding the Soul Sword back then, before Katana ended up with it?

    And do we know how long China has had the Great Ten program active? Actually, I want to say that the Socialist Red Guardsman was supposedly around in the 40's.....though it's been a long time and I could be wrong there.

    There's plenty of ways to spin diverse characters into DC's past that maintain connections to the present. Hell, you could take it the other way too; pick one of the Legion members and introduce their ancestor in the 21st century. They're doing it with the Terrifics right now, and there's no reason they couldn't do it with Dawnstar or someone.

    And they really need to do something with Amazing Man. He's got a great powerset, a interesting and uncommon color scheme, and one of the best, most retro names imaginable. That DC just lets that character sit on the shelf is damn criminal.
    Although I'm not as fond of using historic characters linked to those in the present day, this is another way to bring new and diverse characters to the Golden Age without seeming too forced. This could also provide contrasts to present day heroes and villains. After all, someone and their ancestor don't both need to be good or bad.

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