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    Default Would the world be a better place if the USA didn't exist?

    Do you guys think we would be better off if the US was a collection of smaller countries who didn't always work together? This is the 1st time in my life I have ever payed attention to the news and whats going on, and it seems like the majority (all) of the worlds problems the US, is at the very least, partially to blame for. Or do you guys think it would just be a whole different set of problems with other groups of people who are responsible?

    I mean, look whose running the joint and the type of influence and power this particular person wields.
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    Someone else would take its place. And it would likely be a lot worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Someone else would take its place. And it would likely be a lot worse
    Likely be a lot worse !?

    look at this, it might be a tv show, what is sayd is true and much more awfull stuff:

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    Imagine the CSA being around 200 plus years, including slavery.

    Tell me that would be better than now.
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    Was it better before the US?
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    The USA makes the world a much better place. The world would go to hell if we stopped interacting with it.

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    The USA proved that Democracy Can Work. Only time will tell if it can work Long-Term or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jb681131 View Post
    Likely be a lot worse !?

    look at this, it might be a tv show, what is sayd is true and much more awfull stuff:
    .... if we didn’t exist.

    The dominant economy is China which has had no problem using underhanded tactics to get where it is, is in the midst of a political dynasty, and is far more socially restrictive.

    Likewise the most dominant military after us is either Russia or China.

    Have fun with that......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchfan View Post
    The USA makes the world a much better place. The world would go to hell if we stopped interacting with it.
    Before we were a super power Europe was colonizing the world and having a war every summer which resulted in the two biggest wars in world history.,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchfan View Post
    The USA makes the world a much better place. The world would go to hell if we stopped interacting with it.
    That depends on where you live.

    And the statement has become even more uncertain once 45 started interacting with the world in that capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Imagine the CSA being around 200 plus years, including slavery.

    Tell me that would be better than now.
    Maybe the CSA never forms?

    With out the USA there would be far less racism in the world. The US has some of the most racist and bigoted people on the planet.
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    The Sioux (among others) would probably argue yes. The Israelis, Japanese, Germans, and South Koreans (among others) would probably disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    The USA proved that Democracy Can Work. Only time will tell if it can work Long-Term or not.
    But, Democracy didn't work in the last election really.
    When I was seventeen,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackmando7 View Post
    Maybe the CSA never forms?

    With out the USA there would be far less racism in the world. The US has some of the most racist and bigoted people on the planet.
    There were fundamental differences between the North and the South, even during colonial times. If we suppose that the US never exists, you'd probably see:

    - A split among the 13 (N v. S).
    - France keep the Louisiana Purchase only for it to become it's own country.
    - A larger Canada.
    - A larger Mexico.
    - A conglomeration of Native American Tribes in the West.
    - California probably becomes it's own country.
    - A lot more open conflict and war among Mexico, California, Louisiana Purchase country, Canada, Native Americans, and whatever the 13 colonies become.
    - A good chance that most of North America not under British purview being a third-world country ... so the LP country and Canada might be okay.

    None of that sounds better. Except Canada might be the forefront of things instead. Which might be better. Hmm ...

    But that's supposing that the colonies stay away from Britain as opposed to being absorbed back or into France or even Spain.

    Maybe France rules the world then? Until till Germany comes knocking ...

    No US probably means Nazi Germany wins and rules the world right now. That sounds terrible compared to what we have now (a fighting chance to right the ship).
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    History will tell us for sure. But at least in modern history, the rise of the US being a (mostly) benevolent military power, has helped our allies and neutral countries (and some enemies) to us prosper in ways they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

    I suspect it comes down to what part of the world you're from. Really I see 3 options (and 2 of them are bad):

    - Someone worse than us takes our place.
    - Someone better than us takes our place.
    - More and more fighting while countries jostle for position.

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