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    So I've just listened to the Marvel podcast and it was interesting (the wolverine part of the interview start around the 38 minute mark)


    General :

    - Return is the third part of the trilogy (Death of Wolverine/Hunt for Wolverine/ Return of Wolverine) where Logan will be found
    - There is a story centric reason for the hot claws, Soule didn't add this new power just for being "extreme"
    - It's not a power, more like a curse similar to his adamantium skeleton
    - Logan can use the hot Claws but it's not always the best for him
    - Soule said that Wolverine has been through a lot since he died, he has a new outlook on the superhero landscape
    - Soule wants to bring him back closer to his original statu quo so "the guy people feared, the fact no one know anything about him or what is going to do, the X-Men even asked themselves why Xavier brought him in"
    - Soule said he wants people to be frightened of Wolverine but that doesn't mean he's just gonna turn him into a murderer
    - He wants to bring back this unpredictability but in order to do that some changes had to be done to Logan
    - Soule said : "If I had one mandate to my Wolverine series, other than the hot claws, it will be returning that mystery, returning that danger, returning back that sense of we don't know who this guy is"
    - Soule praises the Old Man Logan and All New Wolverine books


    About the Hunt of Wolverine :

    - The story is called "The Hunt for Wolverine" not "finding Wolverine"
    - One important thing for Soule was to make sure each mini would be great on its own and wrap up satisfactorily
    - All mini has to work individually but also as part of the whole Hunt saga and also as something leading up to the return of Wolverine
    - Dead Ends will recap all these discoveries and the teams will try to put all the pieces together
    - Soule said : "The ending of Dead Ends will have people hyped for Wolverine number one or whatever it is"
    - Hunt for Wolverine serves as a background for Return of Wolverine,


    About the Return of Wolverine :

    - Return of Wolverine will tell you where Wolverine had been, what he was doing and what's he doing now
    - Fast paced story, it's a journey where Wolverine goes to one place to another
    - Story start in Hell but it's not a litteral thing though
    - Sort of feels like a Marvel metaphor of the afterlife, but the book takes place in our world
    - It's like a nightmare for Logan or for any people to wake up in this place after coming back from the dead
    - The question Soule asked is : What would it be like to come back from the dead?
    - There is a new, major significant female vilain whose motivations will be explained during the Hunt
    - Soule said : "She is phenomenal, she has a unique powerset and an unique worldview that hasn't been done before".


    About Wolverine :

    - Soule wanted Logan to die with dignity during Death of Wolverine
    - Hunt for Wolverine is about Logan legacy within the Marvel Universe
    - Return of Wolverine is not about Wolverine's past, it's about who he is going to be in the future, what is he going to bring to the Marvel Universe, what's he wants out of his new life. It's a second chance for him.
    - Despite all the tragedies in his life, Logan isn't going to be weight down by all of this
    - Soule wants to give him a fresh start


    If you think I missed something important, feel free to add any comments
    Last edited by Hush; 06-12-2018 at 02:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hush View Post
    - It's not a power, more like a curse similar to his adamantium skeleton
    How the hell is the adamantium skeleton a curse apart from 'slowly poisoning' part(which still lets him live decades more than normal people)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hush View Post
    So I've just listened to the Marvel podcast and it was interesting (the wolverine part of the interview start around the 38 minute mark)


    General :

    - Return is the third part of the trilogy (Death of Wolverine/Hunt for Wolverine/ Return of Wolverine) where Logan will be found
    - There is a story centric reason for the hot claws, Soule didn't add this new power just for being "extreme"
    - It's not a power, more like a curse similar to his adamantium skeleton
    - Logan can use the hot Claws but it's not always the best for him
    - Soule said that Wolverine has been through a lot since he died, he has a new outlook on the superhero landscape
    - Soule wants to bring him back closer to his original statu quo so "the guy people feared, the fact no one know anything about him or what is going to do, the X-Men even asked themselves why Xavier brought him in"
    - Soule said he wants people to be frightened of Wolverine but that doesn't mean he's just gonna turn him into a murderer
    - He wants to bring back this unpredictability but in order to do that some changes had to be done to Logan
    - Soule said : "If I had one mandate to my Wolverine series, other than the hot claws, it will be returning that mystery, returning that danger, returning back that sense of we don't know who this guy is"
    - Soule praises the Old Man Logan and All New Wolverine books


    About the Hunt of Wolverine :

    - The story is called "The Hunt for Wolverine" not "finding Wolverine"
    - One important thing for Soule was to make sure each mini would be great on its own and wrap up satisfactorily
    - All mini has to work individually but also as part of the whole Hunt saga and also as something leading up to the return of Wolverine
    - Dead Ends will recap all these discoveries and the teams will try to put all the pieces together
    - Soule said : "The ending of Dead Ends will have people hyped for Wolverine number one or whatever it is"
    - Hunt for Wolverine serves as a background for Return of Wolverine,


    About the Return of Wolverine :

    - Return of Wolverine will tell you where Wolverine had been, what he was doing and what's he doing now
    - Fast paced story, it's a journey where Wolverine goes to one place to another
    - Story start in Hell but it's not a litteral thing though
    - Sort of feels like a Marvel metaphor of the afterlife, but the book takes place in our world
    - It's like a nightmare for Logan or for any people to wake up in this place after coming back from the dead
    - The question Soule asked is : What would it be like to come back from the dead?
    - There is a new, major significant female vilain whose motivations will be explained during the Hunt
    - Soule said : "She is phenomenal, she has a unique powerset and an unique worldview that hasn't been done before".


    About Wolverine :

    - Soule wanted Logan to die with dignity during Death of Wolverine
    - Hunt for Wolverine is about Logan legacy within the Marvel Universe
    - Return of Wolverine is not about Wolverine's past, it's about who he is going to be in the future, what is he going to bring to the Marvel Universe, what's he wants out of his new life. It's a second chance for him.
    - Despite all the tragedies in his life, Logan isn't going to be weight down by all of this
    - Soule wants to give him a fresh start


    If you think I missed something important, feel free to add any comments
    Thank you for review!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiderClops View Post
    How the hell is the adamantium skeleton a curse apart from 'slowly poisoning' part(which still lets him live decades more than normal people)?
    Just having a single piece of metal implant in your body can be painful, so imagine having your whole skeleton covered with it. Logan mentioned in Wolverine vol.3 #64 that he has chronic pain because of the adamantium and he still has some phantom pain from his old injuries. He tried every therapies possible, but the pain is always here so yeah the adamantium is great for fighting but it's also a curse for him.

    Just imagine the pain in your joints and muscles from having that much metal, I think it was explained by Frankenstein in Wolverine vol.5 #4. Basicaly she said that the aerobic function of his leg muscle is burning against the inflexible levers of his adamantium bones which can cause tremendous pain to him.

    If he loses his healing factor, on top of being poisoned it will cause some form of cancer, if he has a concusion it would be almost impossible to do any surgery because of the adamantium as explained by Mr. Fantastic in Death of Wolverine #1

    Also the weight of his adamantium skeleton is really an handicap for him, swimming is a torture and if he didn't have some form of super strength he couldn't move at all.


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    Thank you for review!
    You're welcome !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hush View Post
    Just having a single piece of metal implant in your body can be painful, so imagine having your whole skeleton covered with it. Logan mentioned in Wolverine vol.3 #64 that he has chronic pain because of the adamantium and he still have some phantom pain from his old injuries. He tried every therapies possible, but the pain is always here so yeah the adamantium is great for fighting but it's also a curse for him.

    Also just imagine the pain in your joint and muscle from having that much metal, I think it was explained by Frankenstein in Wolverine vol.5 #4. Basicaly she said that the aerobic function of his leg muscle is burning against the inflexible levers of his adamantium bones which can cause tremendous pain to him.

    Hell if he loses his healing factor, on top of being poisoned it will cause some form of cancer, if he has a concusion it would be almost impossible to do any surgery because of the adamantium as explained by Mr. Fantastic in Death of Wolverine #1

    Also the weight of his adamantium skeleton is really an handicap for him, swimming is a torture and if he didn't have some form of super strength he couldn't move at all.




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    Pros seem to way outweigh the cons.

    I am not even sure if most writers ever bother with these "curse" parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiderClops View Post
    Pros seem to way outweigh the cons.

    I am not even sure if most writers ever bother with these "curse" parts.
    Is as inconsistent as Logan fighting prowess, that being said, most of his solo writters agreed that his healing factor doesn't work if he gets drown, he has been close to bite the bullet for that in more than one ocassion.

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    If the hot claws can factor into Logan's berserker rage this could be interesting.
    Also thanks for the write up.

    EDIT

    I feel like giving Logan a new power to differentiate himself from the clones is needed. Daken has his pheromones, Gabby has immunity to pain, Jimmy has a poison and Weapon H is Weapon H
    X-23 is going to need something new sooner or later now i guess lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hush View Post
    So I've just listened to the Marvel podcast and it was interesting (the wolverine part of the interview start around the 38 minute mark)


    General :

    - Return is the third part of the trilogy (Death of Wolverine/Hunt for Wolverine/ Return of Wolverine) where Logan will be found
    - There is a story centric reason for the hot claws, Soule didn't add this new power just for being "extreme"
    - It's not a power, more like a curse similar to his adamantium skeleton
    - Logan can use the hot Claws but it's not always the best for him
    - Soule said that Wolverine has been through a lot since he died, he has a new outlook on the superhero landscape
    - Soule wants to bring him back closer to his original statu quo so "the guy people feared, the fact no one know anything about him or what is going to do, the X-Men even asked themselves why Xavier brought him in"
    - Soule said he wants people to be frightened of Wolverine but that doesn't mean he's just gonna turn him into a murderer
    - He wants to bring back this unpredictability but in order to do that some changes had to be done to Logan
    - Soule said : "If I had one mandate to my Wolverine series, other than the hot claws, it will be returning that mystery, returning that danger, returning back that sense of we don't know who this guy is"
    - Soule praises the Old Man Logan and All New Wolverine books


    About the Hunt of Wolverine :

    - The story is called "The Hunt for Wolverine" not "finding Wolverine"
    - One important thing for Soule was to make sure each mini would be great on its own and wrap up satisfactorily
    - All mini has to work individually but also as part of the whole Hunt saga and also as something leading up to the return of Wolverine
    - Dead Ends will recap all these discoveries and the teams will try to put all the pieces together
    - Soule said : "The ending of Dead Ends will have people hyped for Wolverine number one or whatever it is"
    - Hunt for Wolverine serves as a background for Return of Wolverine,


    About the Return of Wolverine :

    - Return of Wolverine will tell you where Wolverine had been, what he was doing and what's he doing now
    - Fast paced story, it's a journey where Wolverine goes to one place to another
    - Story start in Hell but it's not a litteral thing though
    - Sort of feels like a Marvel metaphor of the afterlife, but the book takes place in our world
    - It's like a nightmare for Logan or for any people to wake up in this place after coming back from the dead
    - The question Soule asked is : What would it be like to come back from the dead?
    - There is a new, major significant female vilain whose motivations will be explained during the Hunt
    - Soule said : "She is phenomenal, she has a unique powerset and an unique worldview that hasn't been done before".


    About Wolverine :

    - Soule wanted Logan to die with dignity during Death of Wolverine
    - Hunt for Wolverine is about Logan legacy within the Marvel Universe
    - Return of Wolverine is not about Wolverine's past, it's about who he is going to be in the future, what is he going to bring to the Marvel Universe, what's he wants out of his new life. It's a second chance for him.
    - Despite all the tragedies in his life, Logan isn't going to be weight down by all of this
    - Soule wants to give him a fresh start


    If you think I missed something important, feel free to add any comments
    Thanks for the info, in theory sounds good at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hush View Post
    So I've just listened to the Marvel podcast and it was interesting (the wolverine part of the interview start around the 38 minute mark)


    General :

    - Return is the third part of the trilogy (Death of Wolverine/Hunt for Wolverine/ Return of Wolverine) where Logan will be found
    - There is a story centric reason for the hot claws, Soule didn't add this new power just for being "extreme"
    - It's not a power, more like a curse similar to his adamantium skeleton
    - Logan can use the hot Claws but it's not always the best for him
    - Soule said that Wolverine has been through a lot since he died, he has a new outlook on the superhero landscape
    - Soule wants to bring him back closer to his original statu quo so "the guy people feared, the fact no one know anything about him or what is going to do, the X-Men even asked themselves why Xavier brought him in"
    - Soule said he wants people to be frightened of Wolverine but that doesn't mean he's just gonna turn him into a murderer
    - He wants to bring back this unpredictability but in order to do that some changes had to be done to Logan
    - Soule said : "If I had one mandate to my Wolverine series, other than the hot claws, it will be returning that mystery, returning that danger, returning back that sense of we don't know who this guy is"
    - Soule praises the Old Man Logan and All New Wolverine books


    About the Hunt of Wolverine :

    - The story is called "The Hunt for Wolverine" not "finding Wolverine"
    - One important thing for Soule was to make sure each mini would be great on its own and wrap up satisfactorily
    - All mini has to work individually but also as part of the whole Hunt saga and also as something leading up to the return of Wolverine
    - Dead Ends will recap all these discoveries and the teams will try to put all the pieces together
    - Soule said : "The ending of Dead Ends will have people hyped for Wolverine number one or whatever it is"
    - Hunt for Wolverine serves as a background for Return of Wolverine,


    About the Return of Wolverine :

    - Return of Wolverine will tell you where Wolverine had been, what he was doing and what's he doing now
    - Fast paced story, it's a journey where Wolverine goes to one place to another
    - Story start in Hell but it's not a litteral thing though
    - Sort of feels like a Marvel metaphor of the afterlife, but the book takes place in our world
    - It's like a nightmare for Logan or for any people to wake up in this place after coming back from the dead
    - The question Soule asked is : What would it be like to come back from the dead?
    - There is a new, major significant female vilain whose motivations will be explained during the Hunt
    - Soule said : "She is phenomenal, she has a unique powerset and an unique worldview that hasn't been done before".


    About Wolverine :

    - Soule wanted Logan to die with dignity during Death of Wolverine
    - Hunt for Wolverine is about Logan legacy within the Marvel Universe
    - Return of Wolverine is not about Wolverine's past, it's about who he is going to be in the future, what is he going to bring to the Marvel Universe, what's he wants out of his new life. It's a second chance for him.
    - Despite all the tragedies in his life, Logan isn't going to be weight down by all of this
    - Soule wants to give him a fresh start


    If you think I missed something important, feel free to add any comments
    Sounds neat. Now let's hope Soule can put his mind to make all of it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Abductor View Post
    If the hot claws can factor into Logan's berserker rage this could be interesting.
    Also thanks for the write up.

    EDIT

    I feel like giving Logan a new power to differentiate himself from the clones is needed. Daken has his pheromones, Gabby has immunity to pain, Jimmy has a poison and Weapon H is Weapon H
    X-23 is going to need something new sooner or later now i guess lol
    Laura has her role as the Enigma Force's chosen heir, if any writer ever decides to make use of it.
    Still hoping for that Helix Reunion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambaryerno View Post
    Laura has her role as the Enigma Force's chosen heir, if any writer ever decides to make use of it.
    I thought that her foot claws were the special ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    I thought that her foot claws were the special ability.
    I mean a whole new additional power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiderClops View Post
    Pros seem to way outweigh the cons.

    I am not even sure if most writers ever bother with these "curse" parts.
    I dunno, if he couldn't heal broken bones or missing limb I would agree but since Logan can heal from any physical injuries the adamantium is only good for fighting, for the rest it's an handicap.

    The only other pro I can think of, was during the 90s when Hama revealed in Wolverine vol.2 #91 that the adamantium bonding process was similar to a chemo-teraphy for Logan. The goal was to stop his mutation which was like a tumor giving him visions and driving him crazy.

    But yeah not a lot of writers mentioned these "curse" parts, but when they do it's really interesting in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Abductor View Post
    I mean a whole new additional power.
    Maybe something similar to her hyper combo in Marvel Vs Capcom 3 where she can become invisible for a short period of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiderClops View Post
    How the hell is the adamantium skeleton a curse apart from 'slowly poisoning' part(which still lets him live decades more than normal people)?
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiderClops View Post
    Pros seem to way outweigh the cons.

    I am not even sure if most writers ever bother with these "curse" parts.
    Why ask the question if you don't even care about the answer?
    You brought back Wolverine

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    @Hush
    oh no not that lol they gave that to her in Marvel Heroes too, i was thinking of something like anti-metal coated claws or something maybe like Cyber's claws with the venom on the tips.

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