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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    The difference is that Midnighter was actually created gay and people have no problem with him being portrayed the way he was created and has always existed.
    I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here, but I've heard that complaint more. Iceman is more visible and known more though too. So its an interesting comparison. I wish both were around!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-Fi View Post
    It hurts seeing just how bad it seems Gen X did in trades.

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    SUPER-COOL!!

    Regarding sales, accidentally came across this just recently, and it seemed apropos...

    https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/stat...48568088858624
    • THE UNSTOPPABLE WASP is another example of a Marvel book that doesn't do great on Wednesdays but KILLS in trade. Smart of Marvel to bring it back and build up that back catalog.
    • Because here's the thing about books that move in trade: you hook them with that volume 1, and then suddenly there's 12 more volumes ready for them to binge right away. You sell one book, you've got a good shot at selling the whole run.
    • Trades friggin' rule, and they're great business.
    • Kim & Kim is a book that has never been a huge hit on Wednesdays but does enough trade to stay in the black. Trades are able to build smaller, dedicated followings that are easier to sustain because the format is cheaper to manufacture and distribute.
    • And they're more likely to worm their way into unexpected places like small book stores, children's bookstores, and other places you wouldn't expect a floppy to land.
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    Cool news, happy to see it back (at least for awhile). The writing wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed the series. (which is more than I can say about most of the titles that are out right now...)

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    Just wanna throw in that Marvel as opposed to Vertigo is a MUCH more thought of comic company. So when Marvel does something there's more eyeballs on it.


    Also, when Apollo launched people weren't so easily triggered by gay people in comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMutant View Post
    I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here, but I've heard that complaint more. Iceman is more visible and known more though too. So its an interesting comparison. I wish both were around!
    Midnighter was built up at Image where complainers and the echo chamber tend to ignore what they do. So when he arrived at DC-he already had a built in fanbase to support him.

    Unlike most of the established LGBT who are viewed as public enemy number one.


    Regarding sales, accidentally came across this just recently, and it seemed apropos..
    Same case with New Superman-a well received volume one got him 3 more trades.

    Everything in that tweet was true.

    The trades reach places where floppies can't.

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    Good to see Iceman back in full force with Sina Grace. Happy to see the book make a return .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-Fi View Post
    So now you agree Kitty is bisexual? Finally!
    Straws...you guys and gals are grasping at them. It's like I'm watching a grade school lunchroom cut-down contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroine Addict View Post
    Regarding sales, accidentally came across this just recently, and it seemed apropos...

    https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/stat...48568088858624
    Of all the people to cite with regard to the selling comics... Mags Visaggio. That’s like citing OJ’s advice on how to be a good husband.
    Good Marvel characters- Bring Them Back!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    Of all the people to cite with regard to the selling comics... Mags Visaggio. That’s like citing OJ’s advice on how to be a good husband.
    I...don't understand cause even though that Dazzler one-shot was in-fact tone deaf her other series such as Eternity Girl is actually really good
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    So they relaunched the series because the trade paperback sales was good?

    What's the real reason?
    Last edited by jalsrix; 06-13-2018 at 07:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-Fi View Post
    I'd prefer Strain's Generation X to return <3. Hopeless is good, but I can do with less Jean Grey. She's already the star of Red.
    Jean already has Red.

    If Iceman was leading another X-Men, he wouldn't need another solo-series.

    Initially, we thought Iceman would be leading X-Men Gold but it seems not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    Midnighter was built up at Image where complainers and the echo chamber tend to ignore what they do. So when he arrived at DC-he already had a built in fanbase to support him.

    Unlike most of the established LGBT who are viewed as public enemy number one.
    Midnighter had a built in audience? No one, especially outside of fanboys know who Midnighter is. Iceman is an original member of one of Marvel's most popular titles, starred in a cartoon, movies, and featured in countless games. That much more a reach to build an audience than The Authority's less than 100 issues and his Wildstorm series of 22 issues.

    The biggest difference is some fans can't get over the fact that Iceman came out later and wouldn't support the title based on that alone. There were many fans of Iceman who protested the fact he was gay at all. Midnighter was able to escape that, but I wouldn't say his audience of fan base is bigger than Iceman's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalsrix View Post
    Jean already has Red.

    If Iceman was leading another X-Men, he wouldn't need another solo-series.

    Initially, we thought Iceman would be leading X-Men Gold but it seems not.
    Well, Jean Grey starred teen Jean, so it can't come back anyway, not as it was. Extermination is game over for the time displaced O5. Gen X would also have needed a retool, as Quentin Quire has moved to the West Coast Avengers.

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    Problem with this. Tired of this character getting undue promotion when Northstar's relegated to domesticated offpanel limbo.

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