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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    Yeah, but functionally they are superheroes since they are stealing immaterial objects to stop the schemes and machinations of secret, super-powered villains and protect the innocent in the name of justice.

    I mean, it's not like their robbing liquor stores in order to buy a new car, or anything.
    The villains weren't super powered. Only two of them actually knew what was going on. It wouldn't be right to call them superheroes as their methods of changing the hearts of their targets is morally unethical.

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    For character scope and storytelling, Lego Batman 3 Beyond Gotham and Lego Marvel Superheroes 2 are worth a play. You get to play as a variety of characters, who range from mainstream to obscure. Gameplay itself is pretty simple, button mashing combat with simple puzzle solving, but the appeal is always in the franchise the game represents. The first Lego Marvel Superheroes is a good one as well, and includes the X-Men and Fantastic Four in the story and character roster. Beyond Gotham explores some of the Green Lantern mythos, specifically the Emotional Spectrum and the variously colored Corps, while Marvel Superheroes 2 lets you explore and interact with characters and locations from various times and places in the Marvel universe. There are three New Yorks (regular flavour, Noir and 2099) for example, some of the locations brought by Kang to form Chronopolis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    The villains weren't super powered. Only two of them actually knew what was going on. It wouldn't be right to call them superheroes as their methods of changing the hearts of their targets is morally unethical.
    The villains were super powered, in that they were the Shadow versions of the targets, massively powerful monsters that often sit at the end of a Palace filled with monsters under their control. And while you could argue that the real life person has no way to stop them once The Phantom Thieves of Hearts decided to act, it kind of flies in the face of the fact that A) stealing their Treasure involves giving them a day's warning so that their Shadow could get ready for their actions, and B) the non-Palace Owners get their Change of Heart just by stopping their Shadows from rampaging (read: actively trying to murder them) and then having a heart to heart with them.

    As for the morality of their methodology, I think it's more gray than anything, since your average superhero goes around violently pummeling people with no legal authority or accountability, often because they are too powerful or connected for normal authorities to deal with. Not to mention that, in every mandatory case where they weren't actively trying to help the targets in question, they were forced to take them down due to a deadline that the rather has put on them.

    Forcefully rewriting their psyche can be ethnically uncomfortable, agreed, but considering that the methodology for most of the major cases involved going into minds so twisted as to have become an actual super-powerful monster that significantly reshaped the local astral landscape into a deathtrap monument to their own crimes and Cardinal Sin filled with enslaved fragments of humanity's collective unconsciousness and ripping out a desire so distorted that it actually manifested as a singular object, basically destroying their psychological distortions all in one go and forcing them to face the full brunt of their crimes emotionally and demand to make amends for it, I am liable to hand wave it. Especially since most of them were in the middle of doing things which were actively trying to ruin/end the lives of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts if they didn't stop them before a very short deadline. A few examples showed that there are ways to rehabilitate people who are distorted enough to show up in the Metaverse, sure, but those few were waaaaay less twisted than the others, and/or were uniquely negotiable with, so it doesn't really compare to someone like Kamoshida, who had been committing their crimes unhindered for years.

    Hell, Wolverine wouldn't have hesitated to stab at least half of the Palace Owners in the face, given half an opportunity, and even no-kill Batman would probably have hospitalized most of them without a second thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate Starmie View Post
    There was an Ultimate Spider-Man game much like Spider-Man 2 and you could play as Venom. I enjoyed it about as much as SM2, Venom was super fun
    I loved sucking up people and spitting them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate Starmie View Post
    There was an Ultimate Spider-Man game much like Spider-Man 2 and you could play as Venom. I enjoyed it about as much as SM2, Venom was super fun
    It was even canon.

    I played the first 15ish minutes and couldn't get past the first stupid mandatory race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    It was even canon.

    I played the first 15ish minutes and couldn't get past the first stupid mandatory race.
    It adapted in the Symbiote War arc late in the run (the trade before Ultimatum), but changes had to be made to fit into the continuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbmasta View Post
    It adapted in the Symbiote War arc late in the run (the trade before Ultimatum), but changes had to be made to fit into the continuity.
    Yes, but that was a retcon. The game was considered canon from when it came up until stuff contradicted it eventually.
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