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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    I know Batman has teamed up with Sherlock Holmes on at least one occasion... don't know about Zorro?
    Yes Batman has crossed over with Holmes, and as indicated Dracula both in comics and animated film.

    Where Batman has repeatedly referenced Zorro is as the oft referenced film that helped inspire him.

    Dark Knight Returns Frank Miller

    Year One: Miller / David Mazzuchelli


    Batman Adventures: Ty Templeton / Rick Burchett
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    DKSA


    Batman and Robin #20 Peter Tomasi / Patrick Gleason


    Batman: Grant Morrison Tony Daniel


    Those are just a few
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    And animated:

    JLU the Man Who Has Everything J.M. DeMatteis. Ooriginal Story: Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons



    Batman: The Brave and the Bold E37 "Chill of the Night! Michael Chang / Paul Dini


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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    I know Batman has teamed up with Sherlock Holmes on at least one occasion... don't know about Zorro?
    Yes Batman has teamed up with Holmes, and crossed over with Dracula both in comic and Animated, and both of which Finger and Kane have referenced as influence. also worth mentioning is The Shadow, another significant antecedent of Batman, who has crossed over a couple of times, in the Bronze age, and recently again in the Dynamite crossover.

    Where Zorro is significant is the often reference movie as inspiration, in the repeated origin.
    See above, there is many more.


    I believe the OP, and others reference Dracula, Holmes and Zorro specifically as the " literary offspring"
    (again I'd add to the list The Shadow who Finger cribbed the first story from)
    Is because the creators themselves have cited them:

    A few quotes about the actual (at the time) pop-culture character movie and actor that may have been an influence:
    Jerry Siegel: "I loved The Mark of Zorro, and I'm sure that had some influence on me." ..."When writing the script, I had Douglass Fairbanks very much in mind in the athletic stunts that he did too, so the influence of Douglass Fairbanks was not only in the art but in the visual action."

    Joe Shuster - "I was a great fan of Douglas Fairbanks, and so was Jerry and I tried to use his stance, the way Douglass Fairbanks looked, ...with his hands on his hips, in Robin Hood and Mark of Zorro, in all those he had those marvelous attitude..." " [His costume] was inspired by the costume pictures that Fairbanks did: they greatly influenced us. He did The Mark of Zorro, and Robin Hood, and a marvelous one called The Black Pirate - Fairbanks would swing on ropes very much like Superman flying... the feeling of action as he was flying or jumping or leaping - a flowing cape would give it movement.

    Bill Finger - "Batman was a combination of Douglas Fairbanks [who played Zorro] and Sherlock Holmes."

    Bob Kane -"Zorro’s use of a mask to conceal his identity as Don Diego gave me the idea of giving Batman a secret identity…Bruce Wayne would be a man of means who put on a façade of being effete. Zorro rode a black horse called Tornado and would enter a cave and exit from a grandfather clock in the living room. The bat-cave was inspired by this cave in Zorro. I didn't want Batman to be a Superhero with superpowers…So I made Batman an ordinary human being; he is just an athlete who has the physical prowess of Douglas Fairbanks, Sr., who was my all-time favorite hero in the movies.”
    As to which currently dominates the pop-culture zeitgeist, I agree with many it is currently Batman.
    Although overall historically I would still put Dracula above.

    http://www.vaultofthoughts.com/wp-co...901dracula.jpg
    1901dracula.jpg

    Or rather imagine a constant through-line that goes from (adding Count of Monte Cristo), Dracula, Holmes, Zorro, the Shadow (add The Phantom) to Batman. .

    I can't speak to the current gen. of kids, but to me Batman always exists a constant reminder of those that came before, I don't look at him without acknowledging his literary antecedents.

    Similarly Superman with Hercules, Mosses, John Carter, Gladiator, Doc Savage, Flash Gordon, etc.. Where Superman is like the current most recognizable modern synthesis of those. Yet I don't see him, without always acknowledging the others.
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    It's Dracula. He's THE vampire which is a whole subgenre of horror fiction.

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    Dracula has the benefit of taking the name of a real person (how much Stoker actually knew about Vlad Tepes is very much up for debate). 'The real Dracula' kind of adds to the fictional character's mystique.

    And he's a folk hero in Romania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post


    Who is a bigger part of pop culture? And how do you measure such things?
    "How do you measure such things?
    LOL The clear scientific method: Halloweencostumes.com:

    Batman 361 items (includes many spinoff characters)

    Dracula 306 items (not surprisingly defaults to all-encompassing "Vampire")

    Zorro 19 items (sexy Lady-Zorro is a thing?)

    Holmes 14 items (although Miss Private Eye and the "hound" mask are only spuriously related)
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    Am I the only one who read this as Vlade Divac?

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