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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Lets not forget how Storm can automatically draw spiritual and physical sustence just from being in the presence of a lot of life energies: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/TA1J3mXX9Mx...xMFVdjnu=s1600

    This goes well beyond things like TP/TK.
    Shadow King once healed his host body with pure tp(after lil' Storm blasted him with lightning). And no, she doesn't do that automatically, she has to do it consciously(otherwise she would never get tired, grow old, or get injured).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nj06 View Post
    Agreed with the first part. I think Storm's powers are both are a mix of psionic and empathic control/connection. I don't agree with the second part and hope she never gains that ability.
    Empathy is just a specific psionic ability.

    As for the second part, Claremont already laid out that possibility when he said she can trace people's neurons and react to their thoughts before their bodies can move. She would have to teach herself the vocabulary of the mind, translate the electrical information into words and images, but she's basically a living EEG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Shadow King once healed his host body with pure tp(after lil' Storm blasted him with lightning). And no, she doesn't do that automatically, she has to do it consciously(otherwise she would never get tired, grow old, or get injured).
    Go back and reread that scan. When Storm entered the galactic core, that sudden influx of life energies automatically reversed the Brood transformation. That influx of life energies came to her automically while she was writhing on the floor in the thoes of that metamorphasis"

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/TA1J3mXX9Mx...xMFVdjnu=s1600

    She did not summon that life energy to reverse the transformation. It just happened automatically when she entered the core.

    That said, you do have a point. She should not age which is why I liked that 12 story arc where she evolved into an elemental being. She looked youthful as ever while all of the other X-Men looked like old hags.
    Regarding her never getting tired or injured, those would be natural add-ons to her powerset if she had a writer who was willing to see it and develop the potential there.

    That said, with the Shadow King thing, what did he do, exactly? Did he psionically accelerate the healing process or something like that? I don't recall exactly what he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nj06 View Post




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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    I agree with you that she could imitate the feats of a TP/TK, but again, she would be doing so in her own way. She would be controlling the molecular, atomic, and subatomic structure of matter directly by controlling the electrons themselves. We have actually seen her do a few feats like this. A powerful enough TK (it would take a near Phoenix Force-wielding TK to go down to subatomic manipulation of matter) would have to control the subatomic particles indirectly via TK manipulation. See the difference? Storm's doesn't need to use TK to manipulate matter as she has direct control over its subatomic components. A TK has to control those same components via TK. Storm has a spiritual and physical connection to these things on a level that TPs/TKs can't touch.
    Again, no. Look at this:



    I agree Storm is an incredibly high level psion, pretty much on par with Phoenix. And like Phoenix is the aggregate psionic energy in the minds of all in the past, present, future, Storm is just tapping into the universe elementally, through the same basic psionic abilities! She's just attuned to a different frequency than most other psions(like Rockslide is a psionic rock golem, in contrast to Iceman being a psionic water/ice golem). There are differences, yes, but a fundamental similarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Again, no. Look at this:



    I agree Storm is an incredibly high level psion, pretty much on par with Phoenix. And like Phoenix is the aggregate psionic energy in the minds of all in the past, present, future, Storm is just tapping into the universe elementally, through the same basic psionic abilities! She's just attuned to a different frequency than most other psions(like Rockslide is a psionic rock golem, in contrast to Iceman being a psionic water/ice golem). There are differences, yes, but a fundamental similarity.
    She has the Phoenix Force possessing her in this run, hence, when Jean confronted Emma earlier in an earlier issue, she told Emma, "Now its just you, me, and the Phoenix."

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/X2VhZ5Keoq1...dz-Tw9nE=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/6Rmi1UMjPPu...b1hyonPR=s1600

    I agree that there are many similarities between the Phoenix Force and Ororo's powerset, but Jean does not have these deeper level of connections without the PF possessing her.

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    I think what rutog98 is trying to point out is that Storm doesnt always use her powers psionically. Cos when she calls rain psionically but she didnt control the rain not to fall on her and stay dry.

    When the plane crashed to their home, young Storm still didnt know she had powers but the elements protected her and kept her safe and survived.

    And when she was beaten by Proteus to unconciousness, the storm she created still continued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Go back and reread that scan. When Storm entered the galactic core, that sudden influx of life energies automatically reversed the Brood transformation. That influx of life energies came to her automically while she was writhing on the floor in the thoes of that metamorphasis"

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/TA1J3mXX9Mx...xMFVdjnu=s1600

    She did not summon that life energy to reverse the transformation. It just happened automatically when she entered the core.

    That said, you do have a point. She should not age which is why I liked that 12 story arc where she evolved into an elemental being. She looked youthful as ever while all of the other X-Men looked like old hags.
    Regarding her never getting tired or injured, those would be natural add-ons to her powerset if she had a writer who was willing to see it and develop the potential there.

    That said, with the Shadow King thing, what did he do, exactly? Did he psionically accelerate the healing process or something like that? I don't recall exactly what he did.
    If her powers were so automatic, why did the Brood overwhelm her in the first place? Why was it able to almost complete the transformation?

    She had to punch through the nebula(a space cloud) and enter the 'open skies' of the galactic core before she reverted the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    I think what rutog98 is trying to point out is that Storm doesnt always use her powers psionically. Cos when she calls rain psionically but she didnt control the rain not to fall on her and stay dry.

    When the plane crashed to their home, young Storm still didnt know she had powers but the elements protected her and kept her safe and survived.

    And when she was beaten by Proteus to unconciousness, the storm she created still continued.
    Psionic abilities can be utilized consciously and subconsciously(to a degree). I'm not contesting that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    I think what rutog98 is trying to point out is that Storm doesnt always use her powers psionically. Cos when she calls rain psionically but she didnt control the rain not to fall on her and stay dry.

    When the plane crashed to their home, young Storm still didnt know she had powers but the elements protected her and kept her safe and survived.

    And when she was beaten by Proteus to unconciousness, the storm she created still continued.
    Storm does use her powers psionically, but her powers are much deeper than that of a mere telepath/telekinetic. There is a spiritual and physical aspect to Storm's powers that simply transcends people like Emma, Jean, and Xavier. It gives her powerset depths and dimensions that they don't have. For instance, Jean/Xavier/Emma are not immune to psychic attacks or TK attacks like Storm is immune to cold, lightning, climate, air friction, etc. This aspect of Ororo's powers is tied into her physical and spiritual unity with the universal life force around her. Psis like Xavier, Jean, and Emma don't have an innate understanding of how their powers work like Storm did on day 1 when her powers first manifested as shown in these scans:

    Here is something else to consider: Its harder for Storm to disperse tempests than it is for her to create them. Here is the proof of that:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/au-QAQxB-46...kLt4pN_a=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/I9b8L9124xb...NEuVys4G=s1600

    Now, look at what Storm was able to do the moment her powers manifested:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/nOTSPnLQICf...IJnzkaeg=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/iHKVngKAqal...Addx2HKg=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/zLi1xRnJrQZ...IwgUGrfQ=s1600

    and the next day after she got up AFTER dispersing that tempest on day 1, instance 1 of her powers manifesting themselves:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/N712d39NduY...c3mpskkw=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/JToakUtsVgO...TgzNUtZw=s1600

    (*For more on this, read post 41233 on this page: http://community.comicbookresources....lt-lt/page2749)

    Telepaths are overwhelmed when their powers first manifest with the thoughts of everyone around them pouring into their minds. They have to work heard to learn even the most fundamental control over their powers. In the link I provided above, I used Jean as an example telepath and compared her with Ororo to illustrate this.

    All I am saying is Storm's powers, though psionic in many regards, has depths and dimensions to them that makes labeling her as a mere psionic alongside Emma, Xavier, Jean...or even Magneto, lowballing the character and the depths to which her powers extends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Yet, you ignore the PHYSICAL part of the scan before the PSYCHIC part, which you highlighted. Also, Science of the X-Men was not a good description of Ororo's powers at all. It did not take into consideration the "mystical-esque" aspect of her powers that bond her to the universal life force around her. Her powers cannot be explained away completely by science because of this. Furthermore, Science of the X-Men made her a telekinetic, which is very far from the truth. Storm does not control the forces of nature in an indirect way like a telekinetic who indirectly moves chairs around via their TK. Ororo controls the forces of nature directly, hence, certain barriers that can impede telekinsis do not hinder Ororo's control over the elements. Invisible Woman's force-field is an example of this.

    That said, she is physically AND spiritually connected to the universe.
    Look, no scientist on earth can point to where consciousness arises in the brain. I know there is more to the universe than atoms and quarks. I am a deeply spiritual person, and believe we are all intrinsically linked to everything. Of course Storm has a physical connection to the universe, but then, everyone is physically connected to everything(the singularity expanded to create the universe, quantum entanglement allows for spooky action at a distance, faster than the speed of light).

    I think ultimately you are more concerned with Storm having some sort of specialness beyond anyone else. I agree she's a special lady, but her powers are psionic, and a comparison to tp/tk is fitting. I'll say no more on this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    If her powers were so automatic, why did the Brood overwhelm her in the first place? Why was it able to almost complete the transformation?

    She had to punch through the nebula(a space cloud) and enter the 'open skies' of the galactic core before she reverted the process.

    As for SK:

    Notice, in the second page where she can focus her thoughts and falls. Why doesn't the wind catch her automatically? She still has to wield her powers consciously at some level. Remember, in all the duels between Jean and Storm, Ororo always tries to deny Jean her ability to concentrate to block her powers. Perhaps she goes for this because she too knows she must concentrate to use her own psionic abilities?
    Not all aspects of her powers work this way is what I am trying to say to you. Tell me, where did she summon the life energies of the core to reverse the transformation in this scan: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/TA1J3mXX9Mx...xMFVdjnu=s1600 ?

    My assertion is just by being in the core, she gained spiritual and physical sustenance automatically without doing a thing. This cannot be explained away as something "psionic". Its much deeper than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    She's flown on a bolt of lightning a few times. Uncanny 145 and 147 to name two instances of this.
    I also meant to say without Lightning as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Psionic abilities can be utilized consciously and subconsciously(to a degree). I'm not contesting that.
    I thought the subconscious only works when you're awake or prolly when asleep too. But i dont think the subconscious works when getting knocked down/out. Please elaborate it to me further.

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