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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    I would not say that she could not establish a bond with them, rather that she hit some resistance and was able to overcome that resistance with the strength of her will. Telekinetics, on the other hand, must grab an object with their psychokinetic powers in order to move them. Storm does not work that way. She does so through her willpower and strength of body. Hence, her powers are never described as working the same way as a TP/TK.
    I don't believe I said they worked the same as TP or TK though. I said they worked in a similar fashion and I provided evidence of Storm admitting it herself.

    I don't agree. It isn't dependent on her bond with the atmosphere. The bond/link is an entirely seperate application and is one aspect that makes her control so perfect and refined. I view her energy sight as a seperate application as well.





    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post

    1.) Yea from the scans I provided she does have the ability to block or allow certain light requencies but beyond that she doesn't. In the case of sound she was able to make her shield thicker to keep it from getting out or in but that is not something she directly is manipulating such as the light frequency.

    2.)Cool and fair enough. I haven't had issue with some saying their are similarities but I still wholeheartedly disagree that the use and application of their powers work the same.
    I don't think anyone's suggested that they are the same, but I haven't gone over everything I admit. It works the same in the sense that they are both attunned to their psychic mediums at all times, and their powers can react instinctively.

    https://preview.ibb.co/eotMaG/Storm_Emma_body_2.jpg
    https://preview.ibb.co/jo3b9b/Storm_Emma_body_1.jpg

    And thanks for the warm welcome from you and Rutog. I really appreciate it and value both your input in these discussions.

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    Hey, WG, I don't know if you saw this, but look at how little control Jean had over her powers when her powers first manifested. She could not shut out the thoughts of other people instinctively and it was destroying her:



    Now, look at the extraoridinary control Storm had over her powers from day 1 (Keep in mind in Jean's case, it was over a period of time and she still could not figure out how to control her TP):

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/nOTSPnLQICf...IJnzkaeg=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/iHKVngKAqal...Addx2HKg=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/zLi1xRnJrQZ...IwgUGrfQ=s1600

    To make this more impressive, she shut that storm down which is more impressive than creating them as shown in Uncanny X-Men #151.

    Then, the very next day, she instinctively knows how to shape the winds to fly and has the fine-tune control over her powers to flatten everyone on the battlefield save T'challa with her powers:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/N712d39NduY...c3mpskkw=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/JToakUtsVgO...TgzNUtZw=s1600

    Note also the precise aim of her lightning bolt to destroy the gun, but not kill the man holding the weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    Claremont would be the better person in my opinion.. now what say you my friend? have you come to a conclusion?
    I'm still reading through all the posts lol. There are so many and they go back almost for days lol. Not really, but it feels that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Claremont would be a better person to ask. Coates may not know or understand all of the intricacies of Ororo's powers that Butterflykyss and I are touching on.
    He's the current writer which is why I listed him as well, but I agree that Claremont would be better since he developed her most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Weather God View Post
    I don't believe I said they worked the same as TP or TK though. I said they worked in a similar fashion and I provided evidence of Storm admitting it herself.

    I don't agree. It isn't dependent on her bond with the atmosphere. The bond/link is an entirely seperate application and is one aspect that makes her control so perfect and refined. I view her energy sight as a seperate application as well.







    I don't think anyone's suggested that they are the same, but I haven't gone over everything I admit. It works the same in the sense that they are both attunned to their psychic mediums at all times, and their powers can react instinctively.

    https://preview.ibb.co/eotMaG/Storm_Emma_body_2.jpg
    https://preview.ibb.co/jo3b9b/Storm_Emma_body_1.jpg

    And thanks for the warm welcome from you and Rutog. I really appreciate it and value both your input in these discussions.
    you know i have been looking for these scans of the acid rain to demonstrate her powers don't work like a telepath or telekinitetic.

    after going back the argument has hinged around focus being required for both and the way in which they manipulate their respective energies being the same. rut and I have argued and acknowledged concentration is required in some instances but they have been times where the elements have responded to her without her direct influence and others where she was denied because her link had been severed. Also we've argued the connection to the elements she manipulates is quite different from a connection between a telepath/telekinetic and the object they are working to control.

    you are very welcome. you are a much respected member of this community and that means a lot. please post more and try not to be gone so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    you know i have been looking for these scans if the acid rain to demonstrate her powers don't work like a telepath or telekinitetic.

    after going back the argument has hinged around focus being required for both and the way in which they manipulate their respective energies being the same. rut and I have argued and acknowledged concentration is required in some instances but they have been times where the elements have responded to her without her direct influence and others where she was denied because her link had been severed. Also we've argued the connection to the elements she manipulates is quite different from a connection between a telepath/telekinetic and the object they are working to control.

    you are very welcome. you are a much respected member of this community and that means a lot. please post more and try not to be gone so long
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    Agreed. You hear that, Weather God, you've been sorely missed.

    That said, when the new Storm solo breaks, I think WG will be posting here much more frequently as it will give us all some very new material to discuss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanGreyForever View Post
    I'm still reading through all the posts lol. There are so many and they go back almost for days lol. Not really, but it feels that way.



    He's the current writer which is why I listed him as well, but I agree that Claremont would be better since he developed her most.
    yes it is a lot the storm thread has been pretty active with the Emma, sue, jean, Nate, and everyone else other than storm discussion lolol ..kiddin
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    Another comparison is made here as well by Ororo(and a minor note to avoid the 3 scan per issue rule. This takes place in the following issue).



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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Agreed. You hear that, Weather God, you've been sorely missed.

    That said, when the new Storm solo breaks, I think WG will be posting here much more frequently as it will give us all some very new material to discuss!
    I hope so. weather god was one of the first people to talk to me about her powers work. before then I thought she just controlled the weather lol.

    and did i get the recap about the division on her powers right?? what we have been saying versus others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    I hope so. weather god was one of the first people to talk to me about her powers work. before then I thought she just controlled the weather lol.

    and did i get the recap about the division on her powers right?? what we have been saying versus others?
    I'd say you hit it on the nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Weather God View Post
    I don't believe I said they worked the same as TP or TK though. I said they worked in a similar fashion and I provided evidence of Storm admitting it herself.

    I don't agree. It isn't dependent on her bond with the atmosphere. The bond/link is an entirely seperate application and is one aspect that makes her control so perfect and refined. I view her energy sight as a seperate application as well.




    You are right and I am right. Here's why: In Uncanny 168, when Storm's bond with the Earth was fractured, she attempted a communion with the elements and was denied: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ygn5s7GAPlq...2rstW8lc=s1600

    Yet, in the scans you've presented, she's clearly not yet attuned to that world, however she is able to bludgeon the elements into her control through sheer will.

    Our two issues have a level of disagreement here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    I'd say you hit it on the nose.
    Ok cool I didn't want to misrepresent the others position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    you know i have been looking for these scans of the acid rain to demonstrate her powers don't work like a telepath or telekinitetic.
    You're welcome. It's from Storm's first mini series by Warran Ellis. The second issue.

    after going back the argument has hinged around focus being required for both and the way in which they manipulate their respective energies being the same. rut and I have argued and acknowledged concentration is required in some instances but they have been times where the elements have responded to her without her direct influence and others where she was denied because her link had been severed. Also we've argued the connection to the elements she manipulates is quite different from a connection between a telepath/telekinetic and the object they are working to control.
    Well, the last two scans I provided have her state that the same stress, absolute control and focus is required with her weather control in comparison to the telepathy she experienced in Emma's body. I would argue the same as well, but then we have to go back to other things. Such as Storm's bond with the biophere boosting her control and adding in other benefits that telepaths don't get without cerebro or a phoenix boost.

    As I pointed out to Rutog, I think Storm has direct psionic control similar to tk outside of her control that's granted with her bond.

    you are very welcome. you are a much respected member of this community and that means a lot. please post more and try not to be gone so long.
    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Agreed. You hear that, Weather God, you've been sorely missed.

    That said, when the new Storm solo breaks, I think WG will be posting here much more frequently as it will give us all some very new material to discuss!
    I really appreciate this. I just don't have the time like I use to, and as Rutog suspected, Storm hasn't exactly been doing amazing things as of late... But I still love her all the same.

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    You know something? I have read my copy of the Storm mini where WG got his scans from numerous times. Not before now have I noticed how the issue states that it takes Storm mere minutes to attune to a new world. Back in the old back issues, it would take her much longer than that, hence, when her bond with the Earth was shown to be fractured in Uncanny X-Men 168, it was still fractured in Uncanny 175 when she could not sense that the tree was dying.

    Here is the scan for issue 175:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/d5viigVC_IC...1ygBo_bn=s1600

    It wasn't until Uncanny X-Men 185 where it looks like her bond with the Earth was finally fully restored. So, in other words, over the years, the lag time it takes her to get acclimated to new worlds has greatly diminished!

    Here are the 185 scans to show what I am talking about:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/n-deRQKMyXb...1oRv2IeJ=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/SK8HQcvQi5h...Ll12XYX_=s1600

    Notice how Rogue, borrowing Ororo's powers, can feel all the living things around her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    You are right and I am right. Here's why: In Uncanny 168, when Storm's bond with the Earth was fractured, she attempted a communion with the elements and was denied: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ygn5s7GAPlq...2rstW8lc=s1600

    Yet, in the scans you've presented, she's clearly not yet attuned to that world, however she is able to bludgeon the elements into her control through sheer will.

    Our two issues have a level of disagreement here.
    Actually, while her bond was still fractured, Storm was still able to manifest her powers. Albiet with less control as was demonstrated in the Warran Ellis Storm scans.

    Here's an example.





    Hey, WG, I don't know if you saw this, but look at how little control Jean had over her powers when her powers first manifested. She could not shut out the thoughts of other people instinctively and it was destroying her:



    Now, look at the extraoridinary control Storm had over her powers from day 1 (Keep in mind in Jean's case, it was over a period of time and she still could not figure out how to control her TP):

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/nOTSPnLQICf...IJnzkaeg=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/iHKVngKAqal...Addx2HKg=s1600

    To make this more impressive, she shut that storm down which is more impressive than creating them as shown in Uncanny X-Men #151.

    Then, the very next day, she instinctively knows how to shape the winds to fly and has the fine-tune control over her powers to flatten everyone on the battlefield save T'challa with her powers:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/N712d39NduY...c3mpskkw=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/JToakUtsVgO...TgzNUtZw=s1600

    Note also the precise aim of her lightning bolt to destroy the gun, but not kill the man holding the weapon.
    Storm is just that good I'm afraid. Lol. It didn't take her long to learn telepathy either, once she applied herself.

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    After reading this thread all I can say is damn!!! Y'all are not playing about Storm's powers. For me, I see storm is kind of a telempath so to speak, her powers dont operate like a power telepath/telekinetic nor do they operate like a pure empath.. I think she bridges the gap.

    For me Crystal's elemental abilities more similar to a Telepathic/Telekinetic alignment while Storm is in the center and Meggan is on the empathic/spiritual bonded side of things. I see storm as the inbetween having a little of both but not purely being either.

    Also, people have mentioned Iceman and his powers dont work at all like telepath for me. Again Emma could do some things well but she couldn't De ice. Also as far as Polaris, its always been speculated if her powers were psionic or physical, that ambiguity was mentioned in the trading cards about magnetism. I leave out magneto since in his earlier incarnation he had telepathy along with his magnetic abilities.

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