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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Avatar View Post
    It's sad really. But maybe I shouldn't talk because if this was kitty Pryde instead of Jean, I'd be enjoying it.
    at least you being honest lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Avatar View Post
    It's sad really. But maybe I shouldn't talk because if this was kitty Pryde instead of Jean, I'd be enjoying it.
    Agreed. Although i blame Guggenhiem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    1. Yet Cyclops was kept around.

    2. Compete with Storm? Storm wasnt the powerhouse she would eventually become in those early issues pre-Phoenix

    3. Yet X-Factor was one of the best selling titles when it featured the O5. It eventually became Marvel's #2 book under Simonson. They wouldnt have dragged Uncanny down had Jean and/or other members rejoined

    4. Yet Jean wasnt apart of that "rotating lineup". Heck she wasnt even a supporting character. You are right in that Seagle/Kelly werent there much longer but even Davis didnt change the lineup up when he took over. She was completely removed from the books until the Shattering/AXM which served as a prelude to The Twelve

    5. Jean lost her TK and didnt benefit at all in Revolution. She wasnt doing anything she couldnt do before with this so called "enhanced TP" from Betsy. She gained a shadow form reminscent of the Crimson Dawn. Big whoopty doo.

    6. But she was. X-treme X-men happened years before she actually got that role in recent years. Jean could have been had the PF removed from her as we now have her or before the Morrison run

    7. She was still kept off the X-books right? Marvel had bigger plans for her which is why she was elevated to the greater MU and this was a time when they had better continuity across the books with characters not named Wolverine.

    If you couldnt tell, I was being sarcastic and playing devil's advocate. Anyone can make an argument for why a character is propped at the expense of another. Doesnt make it true. Alot of it comes down to bitterness and needing to find a reason to place blame somwhere

    Its okay. Jean has enough love in her heart for compassion for you

    1) I guess they figured keeping one out of the original five wouldn't hurt the book too much, but keeping Jean consistently along with Scott would be too big of a risk.

    2) From day one Storm was created to be the most powerful and the most beautiful female in all of comics. In her very first showing, she absorbed the full electrical fury of a stormcell into her body. She also defeated Polaris with a massive display of power in a pre-Phoenix issue. She was able to create a hurricane strong enough to level Manhattan and maintain enough control of it so that none but the sentinel she was fighting in the skies above the city would be hurt by the tempest and the city remained unharmed. Pre-Phoenix, she threw a solar wind attack at another sentinel backed by the full power of a star. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    3) X-Factor was able to sell like that after Storm and Wolverine undid the curse on the X-brand the O5 placed on everything X during their boring run prior to the second generation team.

    4) Jean was most certainly a part of that rotating lineup. The writers themselves said this in an issue of Wizard X-Men Special. Jean was actually in the book during the first part of the Kelly/Seagle run, then was put on the rotating team. We never got to the rotations as Kelly and Seagle were booted off the book before it got that far. Whew!

    5) Jean was never an impressive telepath without the PF. I think she was stronger in Revolution as she was actually able to beat a telepath for a change when she got Betsy's powers. She beat Revenant. Prior to this, she lost against almost every telepath she went against. Xavier even had to tell her to sit herself down when the team went up against psis too strong for her like the Shadow King. Jean learned that lesson well because when the team fought Legion in another story, she hid in a force-field in the background behind Storm and was egging on Storm and Bishop to fight Legion while she did nothing out of fear of drawing Legion's attention to herself. She was too afraid to fight him. Then she was humiliated by Exodus everytime he looked at her. She was annihilated by Onslaught when he had only a portion of Xavier's powers and had not yet absorbed the powers of Franklin or X-Man. She was completely at the mercy of Stryfe. In one issue, when Emma Frost was unleashing a psychic attack against a foe, the psionic energy resonating from that attack overcame Jean's mental defenses and she had to hold onto Storm for support to avoid hitting the floor. She then had to beg Storm to make Emma stop. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    6,7 &8) Again, Jean was killed off because she had done her one trick, hosting the PF. Since that story is tired, they had no choice but to kill her off. I mean, what else are you going to do with her? The Phoenix Force angle had been done to death. First, it impersonated it. Then it possessed her daughter. Then she got possessed by it. On top of that, we had the End of Greys story arc where the Shi'ar killed her family so they could not give birth to future Phoenix hosts. Then we got that story in Uncanny X-Men #387 where that D'bari alien survivor tried to kill her for what the Phoenix Force did as Dark Phoenix when it impersonated Jean Grey. Jean has been married, involved in two love triangles (Logan/Jean/Scott and Emma/Scott/Jean)...even Wolverine got tired of it. I recall during Morrison's run when Jean tried to get with Wolverine in the woods in the backyard of the mansion. He had to beat her down with a stick and tell her "no". She has had evil clones of her. Evil clones of her children that have whupped her butt. She has had children from the future and copies of those children from alternate timelines. She's had to face evil clones of herself. I mean, really? There is nothing more to do with Jean, so now they are stealing Storm concepts to prop up Jean while trying to hold Storm back.

    9) As you can see, we have had a bunch of rehashing Summer/Grey stories in the X-books while Storm only gets the occassional tired old Morlock story every now and then. Marvel has looked for every excuse to try and ignore Storm in their attempt to try and have Jean supplant her as the leading lady of the X. Jean has never resonated with as many X-fans like a well-written Storm. I'll say it again, this latest attempt at Red X-Men is one more angle they are trying to elevate Jean to the level of a well-written Storm. And, just for good measure, they are doing everything they can to hold Storm back so readers don't look at her since Jean can't compete with a well-written Ororo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimz View Post
    Some of y'all just love tearing down other female superheroes don't ya?

    They just channeling their inner Quincy Jones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nick View Post
    They just channeling their inner Quincy Jones...
    Oop. We love tea
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    Quote Originally Posted by malachi_munroex View Post
    Oop. We love tea
    yes we do.. (^_^)
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    I honestly just feel like some people should keep quiet when it comes to jean. You dont see jean fans going out of their way to come for storm. With that said, i will enjoy the rest of my night listening to some Bob Marley
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    Storm is the best leader eva!
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    You should read The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl solo, X-men Gold, Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther solo and Storm's second ongoing solo coming on 2018 with Ta-Nehisi Coates as writer as Jen Bartel as artist

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachi_munroex View Post
    I honestly just feel like some people should keep quiet when it comes to jean. You dont see jean fans going out of their way to come for storm. With that said, i will enjoy the rest of my night listening to some Bob Marley
    ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberjack View Post
    Does anyone know in which issue Storm used her ancestral ruby to teleport or said it can teleport?????
    Lol you seem to have arrived on a day where the passions are running high and your post got buried.

    The first time I recall the crystal being used to open a portal was in Uncanny X-Men Annual #12. Storm's crystal ("cameo" crystal back at that time if I recall correctly) opened a portal to M'Rin's dimension. THis is the story where she and her X-Men team fought Terminus. Other than that (and ignoring the flub-bub with the crystal being the heart of an External) the dimensional portal opening power was revisited in the X-Treme X-Men Invasion story (being part of the Madripoor set of crystals that opened a portal 616 earth for Khan and his armada).

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    Storm and Jean have a commom enemy. That is where our trouble lies
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    STORM. ***--->APPRECIATION.<---***

    Are you repeatedly upset by Storm's depiction in X-Men: Gold? Go find the latest X-Men: Gold thread to discuss it.

    Are you for some reason determined to talk about Jean Grey? I'll leave it to you to figure out where that goes, but it isn't the Storm appreciation thread. (I get that some of this was rooted in discussion of their relationship, but the JG vs. Storm or "jealousy" stuff needs to stop. Appreciation threads aren't supposed to be about dragging down other characters to make yourselves feel better about yours.)

    These kinds of judgments shouldn't be so hard to make, folks. This isn't your own personal clubhouse where you get to talk about anything you want, the thread has a theme. Stay on topic, please.
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    Hopefully, we get a premise for her solo soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malachi_munroex View Post
    Hopefully, we get a premise for her solo soon.
    I know, the more I look at the pic Jen sent I get really excited. With Jen's art backing it up and a good writer Coates her Solo could possibly continue past 12. *Finger Crossed*
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormphoenix View Post
    I know, the more I look at the pic Jen sent I get really excited. With Jen's art backing it up and a good writer Coates her Solo could possibly continue past 12. *Finger Crossed*
    Agreed. I just need her far, far, FAR from the x books right now. I literally cannot anymore.
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