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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    She cant do exactly what Iceman can do. She cant have her entire body destroyed and regrow it from the moisture in the air. She cant increase her strength and mass and become an Ice Hulk. She isnt capable of superspeed by zipping through bodies of water and she cant create an army of ice golems. There is definite overlap in their powers but his abilities are specialized to ice/water and gives him abilities that are beyond her skill set. IM not arguing who's more powerful or not but they aren't exactly the same when it comes to what he can do.

    Ditto on Magneto.
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    Storm has the potential to transcend her fleshy body and summon elemental dupes of various sizes/shapes like Iceman, and she can control electromagnetism like Magneto. Her powerset subsumes them both. I agree she isn't often used that way, as most writers just have her throw lightning bolts and blow wind around, but the potential is there. Her scale is also much higher than either of theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    If a Sentinel were in front of her, can she hold it in place in the air, not using her wind powers? Can she selectively rip out Wolverine's adamantium from his skeleton? Can she erect a metalic statue using scraps of metal laying around, again not using wind?
    She could do all of that if she just manipulates the materials by their electrons. It's definitely within her ability, writers just don't use her like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
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    Storm has the potential to transcend her fleshy body and summon elemental dupes of various sizes/shapes like Iceman, and she can control electromagnetism like Magneto. Her powerset subsumes them both. I agree she isn't often used that way, as most writers just have her throw lightning bolts and blow wind around, but the potential is there. Her scale is also much higher than either of theirs.
    What is that first scan from? And potential and AR futures/timelines are non canon so not worth bringing up. For the longest time Iceman was said to have so much great potential but I only mentioned the stuff he's actually done, which has been explored more in recent years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    What is that first scan from? And potential and AR futures/timelines are non canon so not worth bringing up. For the longest time Iceman was said to have so much great potential but I only mentioned the stuff he's actually done, which has been explored more in recent years
    The first scan was from an annual just before her solo. The second scan is from Ages of Apocalypse and was published in regular X-Men/Uncanny X-Men, but it's true it's an alternate future. That said, the Roguestorm incident also points to this same potential and it was regular 616 Storm.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    She cant do exactly what Iceman can do. She cant have her entire body destroyed and regrow it from the moisture in the air. She cant increase her strength and mass and become an Ice Hulk. She isnt capable of superspeed by zipping through bodies of water and she cant create an army of ice golems. There is definite overlap in their powers but his abilities are specialized to ice/water and gives him abilities that are beyond her skill set. IM not arguing who's more powerful or not but they aren't exactly the same when it comes to what he can do.

    Ditto on Magneto.
    I guess I didn't fully explain, no Storm can't regrow limbs and turn completely Ice or increase her strength etc. In terms of Manipulating Thermal Energy? I would put Storm above Iceman due to the fact she can go down to the molecular level. Iceman can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormphoenix View Post
    I guess I didn't fully explain, no Storm can't regrow limbs and turn completely Ice or increase her strength etc. In terms of Manipulating Moisture and Thermal Energy? Yes, she can it may not be the same, but she can go down to the molecular level Iceman can't.
    yeah thats what I was getting at. Overlap but not exactly the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    If a Sentinel were in front of her, can she hold it in place in the air, not using her wind powers? Can she selectively rip out Wolverine's adamantium from his skeleton? Can she erect a metalic statue using scraps of metal laying around, again not using wind?

    I'm not saying she can or even should be able to do those things but based upon her powers and how they work being able to do all you mentioned would not necessarily be outside of her current powerset:



    Her powers allow her to command the elements of nature that she sees as patterns of force and energy. Energy would fall under thermal (hot and cold), lightning, etc., and forces would fall under things such as pressure, electro-magnetic. The reason she was able to manipulate the Earth's EM because she can control these natural forces. Therefore, if she became aware enough of the application of using the EM to control metallic objects I don't see why wouldn't be able to do the things you listed. Iceman and creating sentient creatures is another beast completely which is why I agreed to your Iceman points, but she could technically do anything magneto doe based upon her current use of powers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    She could do all of that if she just manipulates the materials by their electrons. It's definitely within her ability, writers just don't use her like that.
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    Storm SHOULD be a Top 5. But I can settle for 6.

    Magneto should NOT be #3. It's the same thing with Iceman Storm can go further than what they can do. Yes Erik and Bobby are stupid powerful in their own field, but they can't go deeper than what Storm can.

    But Eh 6 is fine i'm not tripping I can deal with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormphoenix View Post
    Storm SHOULD be a Top 5. But I can settle for 6.

    Magneto should NOT be #3. It's the same thing with Iceman Storm can go further than what they can do. Yes Erik and Bobby are stupid powerful in their own field, but they can't go deeper than what Storm can.

    But Eh 6 is fine i'm not tripping I can deal with that.
    I'm not so concerned with the top 6's numbering. They are all interchangeable to me for the most part. But I don't recall Magneto, Jean, Prof X, Iceman, or Nate Grey doing any galactic or dimensional level feats under their own strength....
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    I'm not so concerned with the top 6's numbering. They are all interchangeable to me for the most part. But I don't recall Magneto, Jean, Prof X, Iceman, or Nate Grey doing any galactic or dimensional level feats under their own strength....
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
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    Well technically Xavier has a few feats like that because of his fight with Phoenix on different places of existence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos Reigns View Post
    Well technically Xavier has a few feats like that because of his fight with Phoenix on different places of existence
    Did he win though???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos Reigns View Post
    Well technically Xavier has a few feats like that because of his fight with Phoenix on different places of existence
    That was a metaphorical description of their mental battle. They were only in Jean's/Phoenix's mind and/or the Astral plane, not literally fighting on multiple planes of existence.
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