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    Who can add to my explanation why Storm should be #1 as the greatest Leader of the X-men?
    Leaders have multiple aspects. They have to inspire and marshal others. They have to make decisions on the fly in rapidly evolving situations. They have to be able to lead their people towards a common goal.

    Charles started the whole thing, out of his house, with his resources. He brought everyone together and trained them to master their powers and become an effective fighting force. His importance can not be overstated. He also was a public figure with ties to the government and media. His principal limitation as a leader was his elitism and his liberalism/pacifism. He was old money. He didn't always understand other people's motivations(despite being the greatest telepath on earth). He was quite hypocritical, preaching one thing, and yet, being willing to do another. And now he is dead, slain by his first X-Man.

    Scott was trained by Charles to be the field commander of an action team. Scott was taken in by Charles from the streets, or more accurately, from the grips of another telepath(and diamond skinned), but one that was simplistically just trying to make money with mutant power. He was an awkward orphan, and even among his teammates, was reserved and fearful of his power getting out of control and hurting someone. He adopted Charles's mission like a solider, and through meticulous training and discipline, did his best to carry out that mission. As a tactical leader in battle, he was one of the best. After merging with Apocalypse, though, in the conclusion of the Twelve storyline, he could no longer accept the morality and objectives he had previously championed. In dark times, he did manage to unite the remaining mutants under a flag, but in doing so became isolationist and almost supremacist. He adopted the us vs. them dichotomy that was contrary to Xavier's integrationist ideals. And in the end he killed his teacher, and died in the beginning of the Inhuman Cloud ordeal.

    Ororo is interesting in that she was already living the dream before Xavier recruited her. She was using her powers to help the people around her, and they worshiped her for it. Despite being orphaned as a child and being brought up as an advantageous thief, she still loved humanity and thought positive outcomes were possible. On a steep learning curve she mastered the combative use of her powers and teamwork, and quickly became a competent strategist and leader of her team. Despite her own misgivings with the minutia of Charles's dream, she adopted it and adapted it to her own nature. I think getting the UN Security Council's mandate for the XSE was the height of human-mutant relations, but sadly that storyline really didn't get fleshed out before No More Mutants and the 'endangered species' era took hold. Her marriage to T'Challa sidelining her during Scott's grand opus also detracts from her merits, as does her handling of the Inhuman's Cloud. It's hard to square that Ororo with the older, Claremont version, but so it is. Now she let go of the whole thing and gave it to Kitty. An unfortunate and anti-climatic arc.

    It's easy to see why many of the younger fandom don't consider her that great a leader, especially when you also see how she has been presented in the films and the post TAS cartoons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    Who agrees with me on this?



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    Who can add to my explanation why Storm should be #1 as the greatest Leader of the X-men?
    IMO, I would place that as Scott, followed by Storm. Unfortunately the last several years hasnt been too kind to Storm and has soured my opinion of her as leader. I havent found her impressive since X-treme and even then that was a sub-branch of mutants that followed her when she decided to leave the mansion and this was over 10 years ago

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    Fellow myrmidons of Ororo Munroe, please vote for Storm here: http://community.comicbookresources....-own-forum-who
    "Lightning, deliver this place from darkness." - Storm in X-men TAS.


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    Storm should regularly fly at mach 5 but she can fly faster whenever she wants to.
    "Lightning, deliver this place from darkness." - Storm in X-men TAS.


    You should read The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl solo, X-men Gold, Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther solo, Black Panther And The Crew and Black Panther: World of Wakanda


    "The Month of May is Ororo Munroe aka Storm Month"


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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Leaders have multiple aspects. They have to inspire and marshal others. They have to make decisions on the fly in rapidly evolving situations. They have to be able to lead their people towards a common goal.

    Charles started the whole thing, out of his house, with his resources. He brought everyone together and trained them to master their powers and become an effective fighting force. His importance can not be overstated. He also was a public figure with ties to the government and media. His principal limitation as a leader was his elitism and his liberalism/pacifism. He was old money. He didn't always understand other people's motivations(despite being the greatest telepath on earth). He was quite hypocritical, preaching one thing, and yet, being willing to do another. And now he is dead, slain by his first X-Man.

    Scott was trained by Charles to be the field commander of an action team. Scott was taken in by Charles from the streets, or more accurately, from the grips of another telepath(and diamond skinned), but one that was simplistically just trying to make money with mutant power. He was an awkward orphan, and even among his teammates, was reserved and fearful of his power getting out of control and hurting someone. He adopted Charles's mission like a solider, and through meticulous training and discipline, did his best to carry out that mission. As a tactical leader in battle, he was one of the best. After merging with Apocalypse, though, in the conclusion of the Twelve storyline, he could no longer accept the morality and objectives he had previously championed. In dark times, he did manage to unite the remaining mutants under a flag, but in doing so became isolationist and almost supremacist. He adopted the us vs. them dichotomy that was contrary to Xavier's integrationist ideals. And in the end he killed his teacher, and died in the beginning of the Inhuman Cloud ordeal.

    Ororo is interesting in that she was already living the dream before Xavier recruited her. She was using her powers to help the people around her, and they worshiped her for it. Despite being orphaned as a child and being brought up as an advantageous thief, she still loved humanity and thought positive outcomes were possible. On a steep learning curve she mastered the combative use of her powers and teamwork, and quickly became a competent strategist and leader of her team. Despite her own misgivings with the minutia of Charles's dream, she adopted it and adapted it to her own nature. I think getting the UN Security Council's mandate for the XSE was the height of human-mutant relations, but sadly that storyline really didn't get fleshed out before No More Mutants and the 'endangered species' era took hold. Her marriage to T'Challa sidelining her during Scott's grand opus also detracts from her merits, as does her handling of the Inhuman's Cloud. It's hard to square that Ororo with the older, Claremont version, but so it is. Now she let go of the whole thing and gave it to Kitty. An unfortunate and anti-climatic arc.

    It's easy to see why many of the younger fandom don't consider her that great a leader, especially when you also see how she has been presented in the films and the post TAS cartoons.
    Very well said. So you write?

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