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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Where was it established that she doesn't have a nervous system? Her body is human, hence Wolverine was able to sever her vocal chords:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NsOxMVrzVhk...dBtjnRrb=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/0FmTcSFT7ck...WFzfxHTP=s1600

    She healed them later, though: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/3vVzxUlKtqa...HjDg0_MB=s1600
    Astonishing X-men by Whedon. All that stuff in New X-men was from her first appearance before AXM. She returned in that series and tried to use Kitty as her physical host. They were seperated and Nova was last seen escaping without a physical body. She's essentially a psionic ghost
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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Uh-huh, and that is why Wolverine could cut her vocal chords, right? That is why Emma Frost could break her neck, right? That's why her healing factor fixes up her TISSUE DAMAGE, right? The lady has a physical body.
    bc she had one then. Canonically, she does not anymore. It was destroyed in New X-men, which is why she tried to find a new one the first time she returned
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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Where was it established that she doesn't have a nervous system? Her body is human, hence Wolverine was able to sever her vocal chords:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NsOxMVrzVhk...dBtjnRrb=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/0FmTcSFT7ck...WFzfxHTP=s1600

    She healed them later, though: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/3vVzxUlKtqa...HjDg0_MB=s1600
    Charles killed her as a baby. She survived as a clump of cells on a sewer wall. Her body died and it was a miscarriage.

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    Phew...

    The big X on the belly is kinda dumb but otherwise the new costume is a vast improvement over that dated Gold costume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Astonishing X-men by Whedon. All that stuff in New X-men was from her first appearance before AXM. She returned in that series and tried to use Kitty as her physical host. They were seperated and Nova was last seen escaping without a physical body. She's essentially a psionic ghost
    Nova has been restored to her physical body in Red. Even if she weren't, however, she would still be a mass of psychic energy running around the streets of New York. Storm could still fry her if she tried to enter Ororo's mind unbidden and her lightning should still be able to harm her. We saw Storm's lightning hurt Xavier's astral form, for instance. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/uSDgw4fOJXU...n3iGoQom=s1600

    Nova isn't beating Ororo without PIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos Reigns View Post
    Charles killed her as a baby. She survived as a clump of cells on a sewer wall. Her body died and it was a miscarriage.
    Exactly, she survived as a clump of cells, in other words, she has a physical body. If Storm were the killing type, she could just incinerate Nova with a lightning bolt destroying every single cell. Also, her electrical powers can wreak havok on psionic energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Exactly, she survived as a clump of cells, in other words, she has a physical body. If Storm were the killing type, she could just incinerate Nova with a lightning bolt destroying every single cell. Also, her electrical powers can wreak havok on psionic energy.
    The cells were dead, her body died.

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    Here's a question:

    Who do you guys think can beat Storm?

    Try Marvel 2-in-One! OUT NOW!


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    I NEED an Invisible Woman solo! It's got to happen sometime right?......right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpsikord View Post
    Uncanny X-Force v2 #13 has a Storm v Cassandra showdown where Cassandra boasts that Storm's powers can do nothing against her, and it's shown that a blizzard isn't effecting her and lightning or anything else would have likely been the same.

    There is also the fact that Storm's powers rely on a physical body which Cassandra does not possess.



    Jean is being written in Red as one of or the strongest telepath on the planet. No one has done things like Jean has in Red without the help of Cerebro or Cerebra.



    Wait, the UXF one never faced off against Jean? I didn't actually know that. I just thought they didn't touch on her past history.
    Jean has always been called one of the strongest telepaths on the planet. Nothing is new about that. However, Nova is not as powerful a psi as Xavier, and neither is Jean Grey anywhere near him:

    X-Men #90: Xavier is on Skrullworld and Galactus is in space on his ship. Xavier projects his astral form from planetside to Galactus who is, again, in space:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NhSlE6rAhD4...QtilMD5Q=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/xULEBCUPWYB...ZVls7lVQ=s1600

    Note in the second scan how it states there are 8 billion skrulls on the planet. Now, after establishing contact with Galactus despite the distance, Xavier channels all of the feelings of every skrull on the planet to Galactus. So, he connects with all 8 billion minds and shows Galactus their collective thoughts and feelings:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ci8FWW2fHyG...wOVFSn6A=s1600

    Then we have the X-Men #78 where Shadow King mind controls 5 billion minds scattered across the Earth and he states that Xavier was his only threat:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/hQigr8g9Ibt...qXiY7PpB=s1600

    This indicates that Xavier is in the same powerclass as Shadow King and could likely do the same thing.

    Then we have the Xavier vs. Dark Phoenix fight where he battles DP on all the infinite planes of existence at the same time in Uncanny X-Men #136:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/aeyTNlfAxI5...1O8sGjVM=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/qoUhcIMZFw-...UBG88Syu=s1600

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimz View Post
    Here's a question:

    Who do you guys think can beat Storm?
    Proteus, any reality warper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimz View Post
    Here's a question:

    Who do you guys think can beat Storm?
    Rutog will say no one...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos Reigns View Post
    Proteus, any reality warper.
    As long as we don't get the PIS version of the character that Magneto beat, LOL!

    I'd say for a lot of these characters, it would depend on who got the first shot. Storm's internal attacks makes her a hard character to beat. For instance, Dr. Strange could beat Ororo, but if she proved to be quicker on the draw, she could lay him out with an internal attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Nova has been restored to her physical body in Red.
    As far as we know, no she hasn't. Even the UXF Nova did not have a physical host until she took Ginny. Stop making things up.

    Even if she weren't, however, she would still be a mass of psychic energy running around the streets of New York. Storm could still fry her if she tried to enter Ororo's mind unbidden and her lightning should still be able to harm her. We saw Storm's lightning hurt Xavier's astral form, for instance. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/uSDgw4fOJXU...n3iGoQom=s1600
    She's already entered Ororo's mind unbidden and gotten away with it. She's fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    Jean has always been called one of the strongest telepaths on the planet. Nothing is new about that. However, Nova is not as powerful a psi as Xavier, and neither is Jean Grey anywhere near him:

    X-Men #90: Xavier is on Skrullworld and Galactus is in space on his ship. Xavier projects his astral form from planetside to Galactus who is, again, in space:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NhSlE6rAhD4...QtilMD5Q=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/xULEBCUPWYB...ZVls7lVQ=s1600

    Note in the second scan how it states there are 8 billion skrulls on the planet. Now, after establishing contact with Galactus despite the distance, Xavier channels all of the feelings of every skrull on the planet to Galactus. So, he connects with all 8 billion minds and shows Galactus their collective thoughts and feelings:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ci8FWW2fHyG...wOVFSn6A=s1600

    Then we have the X-Men #78 where Shadow King mind controls 5 billion minds scattered across the Earth and he states that Xavier was his only threat:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/hQigr8g9Ibt...qXiY7PpB=s1600

    This indicates that Xavier is in the same powerclass as Shadow King and could likely do the same thing.

    Then we have the Xavier vs. Dark Phoenix fight where he battles DP on all the infinite planes of existence at the same time in Uncanny X-Men #136:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/aeyTNlfAxI5...1O8sGjVM=s1600
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/qoUhcIMZFw-...UBG88Syu=s1600
    All things that happened long, long ago. None of this matters. What matters is what is happening now. Time to stop living in the past, my dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    As long as we don't get the PIS version of the character that Magneto beat, LOL!

    I'd say for a lot of these characters, it would depend on who got the first shot. Storm's internal attacks makes her a hard character to beat. For instance, Dr. Strange could beat Ororo, but if she proved to be quicker on the draw, she could lay him out with an internal attack.
    I'd say that a lot of characters can beat Ororo. Say they get the jump on her, or counter her internal attacks with more internal attacks (any force field maker or telekinetic could cause her to have a stroke or heart attack, for instance.) Kitty could reach into her chest and tear out her heart like she did to Marrow. Hawkeye could shoot her with an arrow. Magneto could give her a massive stroke like he did Jean. Ororo is far from invincible.

    "I've never felt the world so angry. So divided. I can hear you. I can hear your pain. Your fear. Your anxiety. I want to help. I don't know how, but I'll learn." - X-Men Red #1(2018)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpsikord View Post
    As far as we know, no she hasn't. Even the UXF Nova did not have a physical host until she took Ginny. Stop making things up.



    She's already entered Ororo's mind unbidden and gotten away with it. She's fine.



    All things that happened long, long ago. None of this matters. What matters is what is happening now. Time to stop living in the past, my dude.



    I'd say that a lot of characters can beat Ororo. Say they get the jump on her, or counter her internal attacks with more internal attacks (any force field maker or telekinetic could cause her to have a stroke or heart attack, for instance.) Kitty could reach into her chest and tear out her heart like she did to Marrow. Hawkeye could shoot her with an arrow. Magneto could give her a massive stroke like he did Jean. Ororo is far from invincible.
    1) She's in her original body in X-Men Red. That's what she's walking around in, and everybody is talking to her in that body. So, yes, she is as she was in New X-Men.

    2) Your telling me to stop living in the past is exactly the problem with Marvel's writing right now. They don't care about continuity, hence you get a lot of PIS writing where previous showings of the characters are being disregarded to scale them down to prop up other characters. We saw that happen today in Red with Storm, we know that is going to be the case again regarding Storm vs. Cassie Nova based on Taylor's tweet saying that she fears Jean, not Ororo, and we know that is going to be the case once more with Jean vs. Nova (LOL!). Non-PIS'd Nova would ANNIHILATE Jean just as she did in New X-Men, however, she would be no match for a non-PIS'd Storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    1) She's in her original body in X-Men Red. That's what she's walking around in, and everybody is talking to her in that body. So, yes, she is as she was in New X-Men.

    2) Your telling me to stop living in the past is exactly the problem with Marvel's writing right now. They don't care about continuity, hence you get a lot of PIS writing where previous showings of the characters are being disregarded to scale them down to prop up other characters. We saw that happen today in Red with Storm, we know that is going to be the case again regarding Storm vs. Cassie Nova based on Taylor's tweet saying that she fears Jean, not Ororo, and we know that is going to be the case once more with Jean vs. Nova (LOL!). Non-PIS'd Nova would ANNIHILATE Jean just as she did in New X-Men, however, she would be no match for a non-PIS'd Storm.
    That body isn't human and never was. That body died in uetero. She's an alien parasite.

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    @Harpsikord

    To answer your other points:

    3) Nova getting in Storm's head only shows PIS. It doesn't erase Storm's feat of mental defenses in the past which would have nullified the TP threat of Nova.

    4) Sure, if other characters get the drop on Storm and sneak attacked her when she wasn't aware of their threat, they could take her down, but that is not the same as beating her in a straight-up fight.

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