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    Quote Originally Posted by Lax View Post
    What I'm not ignoring is that the vast majority of the time the Joker is portrayed as someone who simply has no interest in doing so long term. He has the intelligence to know better than to do a lot of the things he does, yet isn't sane enough to actually care.

    Disguises? He knows what he looks like and that his appearance sticks out like a sore thumb, yet dresses like that 99% of the time anyway. He has a pathological need for causing chaos and drawing attention to himself that pragmatism alone cannot stop.

    Ultimately, his "purpose" is to have fun and feigning sanity is a chore, what's the point of winning if you're not enjoying yourself? Eventually, he's going to revert back to form because his character demands that kind of gratification. The Game of Thrones universe is slow and dull compared to the DCU, he won't be able to help himself.

    It's sort of like saying the Riddler is capable of not leaving clues. Okay, but then, he wouldn't really be the Riddler anymore, CIS comes as a part of the character and he has a need to prove he's smarter than others even if it leads to his downfall.
    Except for all the times he stayed in the shadows and didn't reveal himself until he had concocted a master plan that was airtight save by opposition from the Batman. He'll do what he needs to cause the most damage.

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    The Joker isn't going to be a political player in Westeros, because he wasn't born into a noble house. The best fit that he will find is in the Brave Companions, with a bunch of other sick and twisted freaks and outcasts. I can see him killing Vargo Hoat and taking over the Brave Companions, and then working for the Lannisters. If the Joker instead enters this world in the North, I can see him getting by as a wildling, and eventually overthrowing Mance Rayder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancerman View Post
    Except for all the times he stayed in the shadows and didn't reveal himself until he had concocted a master plan that was airtight save by opposition from the Batman. He'll do what he needs to cause the most damage.
    Yeah, Joker isn't some sort of spree killer, he's a guy who often spends weeks/months developing plans/sub-plans/back-up-plans/etc..., gathering/developing equipment, hiring goons, preparing lairs/safe houses/booby trapped fake lairs and safe houses/etc..., planting traps and red herrings potentially throughout an entire city, etc... using a mind that's good enough to be able to turn random situations he's dropped into on their head in his favor more often than not. By the time he steps on the stage with his face bare to the world, he's almost always got a massive amount of prep done to let him do so with relative impunity.

    He's chided *Ra's Al Ghul* for a lack of patience when setting up a plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shellhead View Post
    The Joker isn't going to be a political player in Westeros, because he wasn't born into a noble house. The best fit that he will find is in the Brave Companions, with a bunch of other sick and twisted freaks and outcasts. I can see him killing Vargo Hoat and taking over the Brave Companions, and then working for the Lannisters. If the Joker instead enters this world in the North, I can see him getting by as a wildling, and eventually overthrowing Mance Rayder.
    I think the Wildlings, the Black Order, the Onion Knight and the Spider show that you can take part in politics in ASoIaF even without noble blood if you're driven and skilled enough.

    Joker is a guy who not only has knowledge which is incomparably valuable to the ruling class, but has traveled in political circles that are significantly greater than Westeros, with people who have pedigrees and histories that make the likes of Tywin Lannister or House Targaryen look like incompetent upstarts. Joker's been an ambassador for Quarac. Ra's Al Ghul called on him when he had to outsource Armageddon. Lex Luthor takes care not to snub him when making plans. If Joker wants to get on the world stage in Westeros, their only real choices are to get out of his way or die trying.

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    Does Joker get a free pass on the language barrier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shellhead View Post
    Does Joker get a free pass on the language barrier?
    Do you think Joker isn't intelligent enough to learn new languages?

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    Well the majority of folks in Westeros speaks/knows the common tongue, and that's where the Joker is place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFMM View Post
    Well the majority of folks in Westeros speaks/knows the common tongue, and that's where the Joker is place.
    Hmmm... Did they ever go into detail about the specifics of the common tongue's structure? The only thing we know about it is that it's depicted as English in the original novels, AFAIK.

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    All I remember is that there where only two true native language in Westeros. The first is the old tongue spoken by the first men. With the second being the common tongue. Which is what the majority of folks in Westeros speaks. The common tongue is also link with the seven gods, and knighthood.

    Perhaps someone who is more well-versed in GoT can answer this question for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    I think the Wildlings, the Black Order, the Onion Knight and the Spider show that you can take part in politics in ASoIaF even without noble blood if you're driven and skilled enough.
    Not to mention the fact that it would be laughably (ba-dum-tsssh) easy for Joker to wheedle, manipulate, threaten, or outright buy his way into a title.

    Quote Originally Posted by HFMM View Post
    Perhaps someone who is more well-versed in GoT can answer this question for us.
    English is the Common Tongue of Westeros. Joker won't face any language barrier unless he tries translating stuff written in the Old Tongue or decides to try his luck in the Free Cities. In the latter case, it wouldn't be explicitly necessary since the Common Tongue is widely spoken there as well.
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    Can we use the tas version of the joker? Just to hear his laugh over the Mountain/ Martell fight? I could see him getting involved with the eyrie and loving watching people "fly"

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    If it's TAS can we use the turning people into mini jokers?

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