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I've said this in another thread, but I'll reiterate it here.
I don't think there is going to be a line wide reboot, I think there is going to be something happen with the 616 and Ultimate universe though as has been rumoured. I also don't think that Hickman is solely on this story, I think it's far too much of a coincidence that Hickman and Bendis are using the same characters in the same month. I think that if Time Runs out gets it's own book which I very much think it will be at least in part written by Bendis as the result of Age of Ultron.
Ultimately it's going to be about the "incursions" that are happening in the Avengers books as well as the planets colliding (Rogue Planet) stories.
I remember Bleeding Cool posting a theory a while back that this event is going to lead to a merging of Ultimate and 616. That makes sense. Ultimate is really going south. One title has been canceled. Another is ending after just 12 issues. And Ultimate Spider-Man alone is not enough to sustain it. All-New X-men is already opening a bridge of sorts to Ultimate. Maybe this will finally cross it. I don't think Marvel can stand to do another relaunch for Ultimate. They've already had 3 in the last 5 years and each time the books sell worse. It would open up some interesting new conflicts, possibly creating an Exiles type situation. But I'm almost positive there will be no reboot. There are too many open stories for Marvel to throw away.
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And yes, the story set up itself is a perfect lead in for a universe reboot.
So are people going to yell "reboot" everytime we have a crossover event? Is this what it has come to? No they're not rebooting shit.
Marvel has one reason for rebooting - short term profit - the first few books of any reboot always sell well, since readers want to see how things have changed and what their favourite characters are up to now. Someone could make an argument that Disney might prefer a more streamlined universe, aimed at a younger demographic, but we'll have to wait and see on that one.
I'm not saying it will be permanent, once the sales go down, they'll most likely retcon it back to something near the original version with some massive crossover event to draw in more sales. Nothing is permanent anymore.
I'm just more worried about what happens to characters I like while it's all going down.
My comments from the "The Complex thread", which sums up my views.
"Do I believe they are trying to change things up? Make the line more Disney friendly? Maybe. Will it align with my tastes? Probable not. Do I lie awake at night worrying about it? No. Marvels done things I haven't liked in the past and I'm still here. At some point they will do something I like again. That is the nature of corporate entertainment. It's always in flux."
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I don't actually believe they are liars either, I was trying to be sarcastic there.
I also dispute any real gain in a reboot. The idea of a reboot is never popular its the events and the relaunches that are important. The reasons for doing a reboot are when the continuity gets too dense for newer readers. Marvel doesnt have that problem because of the sliding timescale and because as a company it doesn't value continuity. Outside of key stories (Dark Phoenix Saga, Death of Gwen Stacy, the Death of Uncle Ben etc.) everything else is up to the whim of the writers to include or not (every appearance of the Phoenix post DPS for AvX).
Marvel leaves it up to the writers to include what they want and to disregard what they want. Look at how it handles time travel, the mechanics and results are whatever the writer wants subject to the story they are telling. Same with characterization and general themes, each writer can do more or less what they want with the understanding that sooner or later everything will be reset back to the starting point. (Almost everything from Morrison)
As far as the relaunches, Marvel has embraced the idea of "season arcs" rather than big numbers so coupled with the sliding time scale coupled with the inevitable character resets (One More Day/Heroic Age, Tony Stark literally rebooting his brain etc.).
Those key story arcs are also one of the big reasons they probably wouldnt want to reboot, because they want to keep them in continuity (and to keep retelling them ad nausiem)
The closest Marvel probably ever came to a reboot was the possibility of replacing it with the Ultimate line at the height of its popularity, now I just don't see the payoff.
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I think there will be a "reboot" of sorts, but I don't think it'll be anything huge.
We'll be brought into a new continuity but some stuff will stick. I don't see the new MS. MARVEL book going anywhere, for instance. The X-MEN characters will most likely start all over again in their own continuity. Our main MARVEL books, will be in a world a bit similar to the films. I just hope they keep the FANTASTIC FOUR around, even if just in the background for now.
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I got the sarcasm - I was trying to make the point that not all supporters of the Marvel reboot theory are crazy conspiracy nuts.I don't believe Marvel's gonna kill off the X-Men for a second. I'm complex free.
You make some good points. I totally agree that Marvel will gain very little substantially creativity or story-wise if they decide to reboot. Monetary wise it all depends on marketing and PR.
At the end of the day it all comes down to waiting and seeing what Marvel's planning. You could be right, in the end they might just do a big reboot like event - kinda what they did in House of M - like a mini alternative pocket universe event that'll run for a few months across all books, combining the Ultimate and 616 universes.
Whatever happens the guys I like are most likely taking a backseat for that event - lower tier characters, like the GenX gang, almost never feature that highly in company wide crossovers. And I totally get that, that's my problem in many ways - if I liked more mainstream characters, I wouldn't have this issue. If a reader is a fan of any of the big name guys, they have very little to complain about whatever happens. Kinda like how decimation only really hurt mutants with niche fan bases.
It also comes down to why you believe the O5 are being kept around for - is it to manufacture some kind of reboot or is it just because Bendis decided he really wanted to write the O5 guys, but without any of the baggage of their past.
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