View Poll Results: If DC Kills the New 52 - Which Continuity Should Return?

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  • Pre-Crisis

    43 13.83%
  • Post-Crisis

    92 29.58%
  • Neither - Start over!

    78 25.08%
  • Im fine with it the way it is

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    I think Animal Man was the true champion of the New 52 as far as stand alone titles go. I truly cannot fathom how that series got cancelled. It had SO MUCH potential and did so much in such a short time. The updated origin of Animal Man and introduction of the Red and the Rot as well as the Swamp Thing crossover were SO GOOD. I was so giddy with it and I cannot believe theyre not capitalizing on Animal Man and his newfound awesomeness. I mean, even without that Animal Man was already made awesome and legendary by Grant Morrison's run, but now they have made him even cooler. Why do they shun my Buddy?!?

    But as far as storylines, Forever Evil might be one of the best DC crossovers ever. It was perfect. Fuckin Luthor, Black Manta, Black Adam, etc working together? Does it get cooler?!

    Green Lantern was probably my next favorite, Im glad it was a direct continuation of the pre-flashpoint stuff because Geoff Johns GL run is personally one of my top runs ever. Along with Morrison's Batman era (specifcally his Batman and Robin with Dick and Damian), obviously also Morrison and Lemire's Animal Man, Alan Moore's Swamp Thing (duh), etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobias View Post
    I think Animal Man was the true champion of the New 52 as far as stand alone titles go. I truly cannot fathom how that series got cancelled. It had SO MUCH potential and did so much in such a short time. The updated origin of Animal Man and introduction of the Red and the Rot as well as the Swamp Thing crossover were SO GOOD. I was so giddy with it and I cannot believe theyre not capitalizing on Animal Man and his newfound awesomeness. I mean, even without that Animal Man was already made awesome and legendary by Grant Morrison's run, but now they have made him even cooler. Why do they shun my Buddy?!?
    As should be obvious by now, DC was shying away from Vertigo type stuff. They canceled AM, ST, and I, Vampire, and made a team to satisfy the Vertigo fans, JL Dark (not in that order), and associated it with the Justice League, of all things. It was a terrible time to be a fan of Vertigo.
    But as far as storylines, Forever Evil might be one of the best DC crossovers ever. It was perfect. Fuckin Luthor, Black Manta, Black Adam, etc working together? Does it get cooler?!

    Green Lantern was probably my next favorite, Im glad it was a direct continuation of the pre-flashpoint stuff because Geoff Johns GL run is personally one of my top runs ever. Along with Morrison's Batman era (specifcally his Batman and Robin with Dick and Damian), obviously also Morrison and Lemire's Animal Man, Alan Moore's Swamp Thing (duh), etc etc.
    I'm with you on everything except FE. FE was a mess. Some writer took the pseudo-SF notion of changing the Moon's orbit way beyond context, and it became a world wide eclipse. Tell me, when was the last time the Moon's shadow could cover the entire planet? It can't. FE was written in such a way as to make it clear. Ultraman needed to constantly make adjustments and stay inside the shadow. Had the writers working on those tie-ins taken the ten to twenty minutes a week it would have taken to at least keep up with the main event, they would have known that.

    The series itself was okay. The tie-ins were the worst thing ever. And guess what happened? The team that was doing JLD- a good book, even though I despise what they were trying to do with the agenda behind it- took the event as a dropping off point. And I could see why. What the guest team did during FE was just awful.

    So what little decent Vertigo material that remained was the soon-to-be-canceled ST and a bastardized version of Hellblazer. Then JLD and Constantine were gone, too. Well, ST outlasted them, I think, but you get my meaning.

    I don't know what happened there, except that maybe management was hell bent on putting Vertigo behind them. Even through creative changes, ST and AM were top notch.

    So I don't regard FE as a good thing. It wasn't great, and it kind of marked the end of an era. I don't even care for Finch's artwork. It seems out of place on superhero books. He would make a great Swamp Thing artist, though.
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    Most people may disagree but I'm glad DC decided to create The New 52. I was a Marvel fan for years until I discovered the DC New 52 back in 2014. I tried to read the DC continuity back in 2010 and I did not like the current status back then. There were too much changes to the characters from what I've watched from Justice League Unlimited animation show and didn't know where I could start reading. While I was reading the New 52 which I loved it, I've decided to read some pre-flashpoint stories like Batman and Green Lantern as well as DC best stories like Kingdom Come, The Dark Knight Returns and Green Lantern Rebirth (2004) to get to know the characters better. It was then I understood why dc fans miss the pre-flashpoint continuity. Now I'm up to date with DC Rebirth and I'm happy to say that I'm a huge DC fan even before DC Rebirth was announced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbow-Lantern View Post
    Most people may disagree but I'm glad DC decided to create The New 52. I was a Marvel fan for years until I discovered the DC New 52 back in 2014. I tried to read the DC continuity back in 2010 and I did not like the current status back then. There were too much changes to the characters from what I've watched from Justice League Unlimited animation show and didn't know where I could start reading. While I was reading the New 52 which I loved it, I've decided to read some pre-flashpoint stories like Batman and Green Lantern as well as DC best stories like Kingdom Come, The Dark Knight Returns and Green Lantern Rebirth (2004) to get to know the characters better. It was then I understood why dc fans miss the pre-flashpoint continuity. Now I'm up to date with DC Rebirth and I'm happy to say that I'm a huge DC fan even before DC Rebirth was announced.
    Well, the cartoons aren't really canon. That said, Hamill made us see the Joker with fresh eyes, and Harley wouldn't be around without BMTAS. If you tried DC after 2009, then Barry being the Flash might have seemed strange, but the Wally from the cartoons was a hybrid of Wally West and Barry Allen. Wally's personality, but Barry's profession. The true Wally West was never a forensic scientist for the CCPD. Barry was.

    I agree that the new 52 was a shot in the proverbial arm for DC. I think many fans weren't willing to give it an honest chance. But I also think DC shouldn't have gone into some of the changes without a plan to use them to give added meaning to what fans were used to. I saw nothing wrong with Clark dating Diana for a time. But Wonder Woman is no replacement for Lois Lane, and six years is more than enough time to have played that relationship out and to get on with things.

    But I don't agree that this new retcon was the right thing to do either. It was no more necessary than undoing John Byrne's antiseptic vision of Krypton just to bring back Zod. It would have been much more interesting to have had these things evolve naturally, given the new status quo.

    Ah, but coulda shoulda woulda. What's done is done.

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    Grayson & World's Finest were my favorite books but I wished DC didn't cancel Stormwatch,Frankenstein and Grifter at all that's where it went down hill. DC should of stuck with Stormwatch's original origin a UN sanction super hero team adding Frankenstein & Hawkman along with Grifter would have helped their books IMHO. Grayson was what the new 52 should have been about in fact if Grayson came out in the begining of the 52 people would have embraced with more enthusiasm
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    Quote Originally Posted by red winter View Post
    Grayson & World's Finest were my favorite books but I wished DC didn't cancel Stormwatch,Frankenstein and Grifter at all that's where it went down hill. DC should of stuck with Stormwatch's original origin a UN sanction super hero team adding Frankenstein & Hawkman along with Grifter would have helped their books IMHO. Grayson was what the new 52 should have been about in fact if Grayson came out in the begining of the 52 people would have embraced with more enthusiasm
    Yeah, short term thinking was the hallmark of the new52. Probably comes from creative teams averaging 2 years on any given title. But the sweeping changes of any reboot demand long term planning.

    FYI, should of is a phonetic for should've. I'm as guilty as the next guy for using this, but it's totally incorrect when you think about it.

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    If DC put out Grayson in the middle of the new 52 fans would see the perfect example of how the 52 would have worked out so much better IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by red winter View Post
    If DC put out Grayson in the middle of the new 52 fans would see the perfect example of how the 52 would have worked out so much better IMHO
    I wouldn’t have minded that, considering Grayson was one of the best New 52 titles.
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