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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr MajestiK View Post
    I can't understand why some of you are wasting time debating over a subject that Priest explored during his stellar BP run.

    Priest clearly illustrated T'Challa at his shrewdest, when his reasons for joining the Avengers were laid bare.

    In one fell swoop, he created the foundation upon which a revitalised and repurposed T'Challa was launched upon an unsuspecting fanbase.

    Enigmatic, unknowable and all the more deadly for it, the ten steps ahead of his opponents T'Challa introduced by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby back in 1966, was back in town kicking ass and taking names using a combination of genius level guile and martial prowess to achieve his overarching objectives.

    Critically acclaimed and loved by readers enthused by a swagged out T'Challa, Priest was hailed as being the writer who brought the BP mythos back to centre stage.

    Priest's Black Panther was a character you had to sit up and take notice of whether you liked it or not.

    Priest got major props from appreciative BP enthusiasts but has ever been the case, there were some who chose to go the dark route with complaints that T'Challa was a Gary Stuart under Priest's pen.

    Today, Coates is writing a BP book that diminishes all that T'Challa is, and some find this take more to their liking.

    The age of the Unfan seems to be in the ascendant but as I've stated previously, the cancellation of the two satellite BP books indicates a chink in the armor of this writer that may lead to a full blown rout.
    The unfans (and Coates) were banking on WoW and Crew being a success, and continued strong sales of BP that they could attribute to twitter followers. Now they have nothing but that sinking feeling of fail masked by deflection (oh books are supposed to fail) that contradict the alledged strength of twitter followers they championed and the alledged popularity of ayo and aneka to stand on their own.

    Thats why they cant answer you. I'd say i feel bad for them, but id be lying lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumble View Post
    But will you read Coates BP book, with or without Storm, b/c of how much you like this relatable BP?

    BP is more popular than Storm, and you know it. Look at BP's sales and look at Storm's sales

    America Chavez sold nearly as well (and outsold Misty & Storm) and she is z-list, so Storm may be y, x, w or v-list. Which is worse than d-list.

    When the movie comes out, Nakia (Lupita) will be more popular than Storm. Maybe she can be your new favorite character?
    Storm doesnt need to have great sales to be alist. Same with Cyclops and Magneto.

    Besides, comics is a very little medium compared to video games, cartoons and movies.
    "Lightning, deliver this place from darkness." - Storm in X-men TAS.


    You should read The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl solo, X-men Gold, Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther solo, Black Panther And The Crew and Black Panther: World of Wakanda


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    Coates version is to be ignored because it goes against everything that Tchalla represents and stands for. True fans will recognize the real reason, not this fake bullshit version Coates tried and failed to re-establish as canon
    The establishment of Tchalla as weak and "safe". Coates = Don't worry he is no symbolic threat to your way of life. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    Storm doesnt need to have great sales to be alist. Same with Cyclops and Magneto.

    Besides, comics is a very little medium compared to video games, cartoons and movies.
    BP has had strong comics sales, a solo cartoon, and a solo movie by Ryan Coogler

    Storm had terrible comic sales, no solo cartoon, and no solo movie.

    So she is d-list and Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine and Kitty are all better leaders

    And Black Panther is more popular

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumble View Post
    BP has had strong comics sales, a solo cartoon, and a solo movie by Ryan Coogler

    Storm had terrible comic sales, no solo cartoon, and no solo movie.

    So she is d-list and Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine and Kitty are all better leaders

    And Black Panther is more popular
    Coates a definitely an alist writer and the best BP writer.
    "Lightning, deliver this place from darkness." - Storm in X-men TAS.


    You should read The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl solo, X-men Gold, Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther solo, Black Panther And The Crew and Black Panther: World of Wakanda


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    Coates version is to be ignored because it goes against everything that Tchalla represents and stands for. True fans will recognize the real reason, not this fake bullshit version Coates tried and failed to re-establish as canon
    It's canon regardless of whether or not certain fans buy it or not, because it's not fans who determine what is canon. It's the actual writers of the book that do that. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    The establishment of Tchalla as weak and "safe". Coates = Don't worry he is no symbolic threat to your way of life. lol
    T'Challa is neither weak nor safe. T'Challa has always been the ultimate chess player, able to be three or four steps of his opponents. It's what we expect. But Coates has given him challenges that are more complex and not so easily resolved. It's interesting to see T'Challa have to actually work for a win, to grapple with problems that are vast and multi-layered, rather than just outfoxing his inferiors. It doesn't make him weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    Coates a definitely an alist writer and the best BP writer.
    Storm is definitely d-list and couldn't do 36k with Coates.

    Priest is the best BP writer (movie based off his run and you said movie > comics) just like Cyclops is the best leader.

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    New Black Panther movie synopsis:

    After the events of Captain America: Civil War, King T'Challa returns home to the reclusive, technologically advanced African nation of Wakanda to serve as his country's new leader. However, T'Challa soon finds that he is challenged for the throne from factions within his own country. When two foes conspire to destroy Wakanda, the hero known as Black Panther must team up with C.I.A. agent Everett K. Ross and members of the Dora Milaje, Wakandan special forces, to prevent Wakanda from being dragged into a world war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    It's canon regardless of whether or not certain fans buy it or not, because it's not fans who determine what is canon. It's the actual writers of the book that do that. Just saying.
    Yep and there is plenty of Shit that gets ignored because it is stupid as hell and will be forgotten. IE stupid shit Coate is pulling

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    Coates a definitely an alist writer and the best BP writer.
    Dude.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    Yep and there is plenty of Shit that gets ignored because it is stupid as hell and will be forgotten. IE stupid shit Coate is pulling
    Certainly could happen. A lot of things get ignored from the transition of one BP writer to another. In fact I dare say it happens a bit too often in the BP mythos. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Warren View Post
    T'Challa is neither weak nor safe. T'Challa has always been the ultimate chess player, able to be three or four steps of his opponents. It's what we expect. But Coates has given him challenges that are more complex and not so easily resolved. It's interesting to see T'Challa have to actually work for a win, to grapple with problems that are vast and multi-layered, rather than just outfoxing his inferiors. It doesn't make him weak.
    In literally zero of his solo runs before this has T'challa ever been handed a free win. and the threats he faced were up to his level. The previous writers didn't nerf T'Challa down to their level, the threats were brought up to his. And you Right, T'Challa is the Ultimate chess player, able to be steps ahead at all times. however from the get go Coates said he wasn't going to write that Type of T'Challa (Aka he isn't going to write T'challa in Canon) because Coates is unable to wrap his head around the BP mythos and what it represents. So we have this fake weak ass T'Challa that struggles with Simple issues. the Story in Season 1 was in no way vast and multilayered and complex, it very very simplistic and Writers before Coates would of resolved the story by issue 5, or 6 at most. Coates is not doing any favors for the BP mythos, he is dragging it down and trying to make T'Challa a "Safe" Negro

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