Hudlin needs to get more props for opening up the market he was the one who was able to get EJD on the BP/Storm mini not sure how well it sold but that was a start in the right direction of where we are at now as far as awareness and more fans paying attention.
A more apt comparison to this book would be Iron Man 2.0. That was supposed to be a War Machine solo book, it was promoted as a War Machine solo book, but anybody that read that comic will tell you that Rhodey was a supporting character in that series. Nick Spencer spent more time developing his new villain and having other characters talk at/at Rhodey than actually actually developing Rhodey as a character. Rhodey never moved the story along, he was just a passenger along for the ride. That's how Coates handling of Black Panther has been so far.
You don't have to marginalize the lead of a book to build up the supporting cast, there are countless examples of this over the years at both DC and Marvel. Hell, the current Captain America Sam Wilson book is a perfect example of this. Sam is without a doubt the lead of that book, but Spencer has also been able to give Sam a great supporting cast made up of new and old characters that have been fleshed out more than they were in recent years.
Another thing about Hudlin's run is that it didn't focus on Wakanda alot at least to the level of degree that prior runs had, alot of T'Challas vilains were MIA save Killmonger that and it tied into crossovers alot granted in some cases it had to I just wish it could have involved more BPs world
And I don't know if I would call BP a supporting character he's definitely part of a greater ensemble of characters now but he's still the forefront and his actions drive the story. Issue 1 was BP, Issue 2 MA and Issue 3 Tetu & Zenzi the latter two or bent on taken out the former so how can he not drive the story?
Last edited by C_haos; 07-30-2016 at 01:19 PM.
Really think about it, the first arc was "Who is the Black Panther" and then after that he's going out into the rest of the world. He goes to Niganda in an attempt to stabilize things, he then goes to the U.S. to find a bride, then after he gets married he and Ororo go on a diplomatic tour, then they go on a cross dimesional space faring adventure with Ben and Johnny, and after that they return home with the "Back to Africa" story.
But yeah Hudlin's run his firmly in the MU we got some cool suff out of it too. Like Azzari vs Namor, T'Challa vs Karnak and who can forget the crew in NO vs vampires... Thrice blessed armor and ebony blade indeed
4 issues into Black Panther T'Challa has been a supporting character IN HIS OWN BOOK. That's not the same as Steve getting 25 issues then being pushed aside to give Sam as Cap a shot.
It's not like Marvel looked at Coates work with the Dora Milaje and said "Oh wow we gotta make a new title starring these two because Coates developed them so well". Coates approached THEM with the idea of doing a satellite series and bringing in a black female author to handle it. Mind you this was later in the development of his series, because he had originally intended to kill the Dora's in issue #4.
I'm not saying his way wasn't effective at developing their characters, i'm saying he could have been just as effective without marginalizing T'Challa in his own damn book. You argued otherwise by making some rather weak comparisons and ignoring decades of instances where supporting characters were developed without marginalizing the lead and it resulting in a spin off title for said supporting character.
If you LIKE the way Coates went about doing things that's fine. But don't act as if that was the ONLY way it could have been done and that he HAD to push T'Challa in the background and make him a supporting character in his own book to achieve that goal.
Last edited by Kasper Cole; 07-30-2016 at 02:09 PM.
If there is one positive that can come from the Coates run, regardless of various fan opinion, its that the fan base gets expanded and those fans will go backwards to previous runs. I wouldn't be surprised if that is happening right this moment.
The Hudlin run got a bunch of hate from many sides; those that didn't like his writing, racists, people who felt that BP was "winning" too much, people who felt T'Challa became "too black" (lol), the changes he made, the marriage (boy, that was a big one), and so on. That said, I honestly think that the bold was a notable reason why the Hudlin run got a lot of hate. A lot readers back then seemed to have wanted something akin to the Priest run. Hudlin went a different direction all together and even made the aforementioned changes to the BP mythos (being unconquered and advanced throughout its history, Shuri, the eventual BP/Storm marriage, etc).To be fair Hudlin did do alot or retconning as well i.e Shuri, the nation always being advanced(prior to that T'Challa was the sole reason why Wakanda had so much tech), the nature of the first Captain America/BP fight(originally it was a draw) and dropping of alot of the Priest storylines. I think the thing that turned alot of older fans off at first is how different it was from Priest take on the character. Hudlin portrayed everything straight up if anything it's more akin to spiritual successor to Kirby's run if anything(the golden frogs and how they are used are proof). BP the adventurer/world traveler/ambassador is something that is pretty cool. I tend not think of any of the BP writers as worse than the others because they all bring something different and unique to the table and what they have done for the character as for as stories, cast, and popularity.
I have honestly lost count on the amount of debates I've had with casual readers and many BP fans who really disliked or hated the changes Hudlin made (or the Hudlin run in general), even though the start of his run was originally out of continuity. Got many e-battle scars due to those debates lol.
Hudlin's run was easily the most controversial BP run in the character's publication history. That said, Coates' run appears to be giving it a run for its money on that department, lol.
Last edited by Realdealholy; 07-30-2016 at 02:34 PM.
That's one aspect of BP that must change IMO I need to see his villains appear in other book and taken seriously by other writers. For too long M'Baku been taken like a joke, Killmonger has been used like a pawn and everyone else just hasn't been used forget that I want them to be given the same level of respect as other villains and I don't want them chumped out.BP is quickly on his way to A List character his villains need to catch up ASAP. Another thing is I hope future BP writers use more of these classic rouges M'Baku,Killmonger,Hunter, Achebe and Princess Zanda or that but they don't have signature stories because they haven't been used that often. Coates gets a break for season one but for season two and WoW I need to see the classics appearing ASAP
To me it just makes sense that if you're going to heavily invest in other characters, the main character might lose some panel time in the process. In 20 something pages if you're investing more pages in character X, character Y will potentially get less if they're not sharing panels in the same place at the same time. The extra panel time invested has to come from somewhere.