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    still pissed at ROY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    Actually I would claim that Dick gets quite consistently pushed, he is at least quite regularly included in the bigger events or crossovers.

    Of course it can be always more, but in comparison with the rest of the Batfamily (with exception of maybe Damian and Kate) it is not so bad.

    And when I read the July solits correctly he will apparently even get another round of being Batman after the wedding.
    you and i have different definitions of a push then, just being included into big events is not a push, superman for a long time became a punching bag in Jl, whenever they had to sell the strength of someone it was supes who took it on the chin, supes did not gain any new readers from it, he was just a plot device instead of the driving force behind the plot, that is dick's role for the most part, he gets punched by the new badass martial artist, he's there to be clueless so the new ultra genius hacker/techguy/whatever gets to talk smart, he does not gain any new readers because of it beyond the two issues that are part of the crossover, push is hal jordan and blackest night, push is not dick grayson and robin war where he gets puched by the newest rookie robin in his own book which ends with him becoming a member of owls because he could not save the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by yash View Post
    you and i have different definitions of a push then, just being included into big events is not a push, superman for a long time became a punching bag in Jl, whenever they had to sell the strength of someone it was supes who took it on the chin, supes did not gain any new readers from it, he was just a plot device instead of the driving force behind the plot, that is dick's role for the most part, he gets punched by the new badass martial artist, he's there to be clueless so the new ultra genius hacker/techguy/whatever gets to talk smart, he does not gain any new readers because of it beyond the two issues that are part of the crossover, push is hal jordan and blackest night, push is not dick grayson and robin war where he gets puched by the newest rookie robin in his own book which ends with him becoming a member of owls because he could not save the day
    Dick is not a new character, so they don't need to showcase him like the new characters.

    And he gets also appearances where he can shine (the pre rebirth Justice League #51(?) for example).

    In Robin Wars he was still one of the characters who looked best in the end, the whole event was basically used to set up the first storyarcs of Nightwing, and that despite the fact that this event was actually supposed to be about the War-Kids (who got apart from Duke completely sidelined) and Damian.

    And the way Batoffice is pushing their new characters at expense of the older ones is bad, but other characters had imo way more to suffer under this than Dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    Dick is not a new character, so they don't need to showcase him like the new characters.

    And he gets also appearances where he can shine (the pre rebirth Justice League #51(?) for example).

    In Robin Wars he was still one of the characters who looked best in the end, the whole event was basically used to set up the first storyarcs of Nightwing, and that despite the fact that this event was actually supposed to be about the War-Kids (who got apart from Duke completely sidelined) and Damian.

    And the way Batoffice is pushing their new characters at expense of the older ones is bad, but other characters had imo way more to suffer under this than Dick.
    so he is not a new character therefore he is not going to be showcased.... why is he there exactly then? he's not this obscure character that benefits from more visibility to the fans of batverse even if it was meaningless, he does not get the major bump in sales beyond the crossover issues, something like that works for batwoman,dick is past that at this point

    But that was robin and not NW, robin is a bigger property then NW, dc has never had problems with robin, they certainly wanted to off NW

    I don't even know what to tell you if that is how you feel, beyond trolling the whole family(which was great) he was getting punched around, jason did it, duke did it and damian did it and Barbra called him a disappointment during that whole event

    And this i don't get even more, save for maybe tim you can't really make that argument for anyone, tim kept losing everything that made him unique because everyone around him kept getting propt up in everything he used to be good at but even then it's not like he was not proped up as well, he went from a guy that was aware that he was not a natural like his counterparts to a guy that is an Olympic level athlete who founded teen titans who was told by shiva that he has the potential to be the very best

    Fact is pre 52 dick could firmly beat the likes of jason and canary, post 52 jason can beat the likes of midnighter (why is any member of family not named batman capable of beating midnighter i have no idea) so yeah that argument does not make sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by yash View Post
    so he is not a new character therefore he is not going to be showcased.... why is he there exactly then? he's not this obscure character that benefits from more visibility to the fans of batverse even if it was meaningless, he does not get the major bump in sales beyond the crossover issues, something like that works for batwoman,dick is past that at this point
    What I mean that you showcase a new character diffrently than one that is arround for almost 80 years. When a character is new the writers tend to very aggressively showcase how awesome they are, when they pop up somewhere, if they would constantly doing that with their established characters that would become really annoying really quickly.


    Quote Originally Posted by yash View Post
    I don't even know what to tell you if that is how you feel, beyond trolling the whole family(which was greate) he was getting punched around, jason did it, duke did it and damian did it and Barbra called him a disappointment during that whole event
    And? Jason and Tim didn't really do much at all in Robin War and got one shottet in the end by Damian.

    Quote Originally Posted by yash View Post
    And this i don't get even more, save for maybe tim you can't really make that argument for anyone, tim kept losing everything that made him unique while everyone around him kept getting propt up in everything he used to be good at but even then it's not like he was not proped up as well, he went from a guy that was aware that he was not a natural like his counterparts to a guy that is an Olympic level athlete who founded teen titans who was told by shiva that he has the potential to be the very best
    Seriously what was the last time Barbara or Jason had a major role in any bigger story line (or were even included in Barbara's case).

    Quote Originally Posted by yash View Post
    Fact is pre 52 dick could firmly beat the likes of jason and canary, post 52 jason can beat the likes of midnighter (why is any member of family not named batman capable of beating midnighter i have no idea) so yeah that argument does not make sense
    Jason has never fought against Midnighter post flashpoint.

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    Harper Row is an example of pushing a character over a more established one and that character eventually fading into obscurity. All the rankings for best martial artist feature character who struggle to stay in continuity, COIE featured Pariah and other obscure characters and they are now in limbo. The one event that featured Bludhaven just Destroyed the city with a nuke and everything that went on from the Battle Of Bludhaven To Final Crisis has nothing to do with Nightwing who survived death because Superboy became a sacrificial lamb. Dick will never be allowed to lead a Bludhaven Event even if it does not move outside his book. Batman has main book + Tec + team + Elseworlds yet somehow is still seen as a Threat if he gets pushed in an event. Dick has done well but that final step will always be denied to him over the shiny new object. The one time he almost got what he deserved was in ‘91 but the writer and artist left for Marvel.

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