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    I've always been a big fan of Black Window. How could a person not love the original comic book bad girl superheroine? She is a classic.
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    I donít mind the possibility of a prequel. I just hope it isnít a ďred roomĒ story or whatever her training was. Red Sparrow came out and we saw the basic idea of it from Age of Ultron, why go any more into that. Give me a good assassin/spy film! Also... give her the classic Widow belt! We know itís sitting in some archive as it was made for Iron Man 2 and was in the Art of book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaminbee View Post
    I don’t mind the possibility of a prequel. I just hope it isn’t a “red room” story or whatever her training was. Red Sparrow came out and we saw the basic idea of it from Age of Ultron, why go any more into that. Give me a good assassin/spy film! Also... give her the classic Widow belt! We know it’s sitting in some archive as it was made for Iron Man 2 and was in the Art of book.
    From everything I've heard Red Sparrow really wasn't the kind of Movie that would be even remotely like Black Widow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matternativ View Post
    From everything I've heard Red Sparrow really wasn't the kind of Movie that would be even remotely like Black Widow.
    It turned out to be a slow burn psychological suspense movie. It's not an action flick ( which I think most of us would want BW to be at least in part).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    It turned out to be a slow burn psychological suspense movie. It's not an action flick ( which I think most of us would want BW to be at least in part).
    True but look at the plot of red sparrow. Girls aa ballerinas in a school training to be assassins. From birth or a young age. Thats the origin very close to Nats beginings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berserkerclaw View Post
    True but look at the plot of red sparrow. Girls aa ballerinas in a school training to be assassins. From birth or a young age. Thats the origin very close to Nats beginings.
    Something worth keeping in mind is that Natasha's own background is already a bit of a mishmash of Cold War and Russian tropes. I think that's the reason why the author of the original book got away with making so much similar to Natasha's story.

    Red Sparrow the movie is basically a Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy plot (a manhunt for a mole) with a lot more sex and gore and some superficial Black Widow set dressing thrown in. The main reason that it doesn't feel like what a Black Widow movie would be like is that the main character (Dominika) doesn't act much like Natasha at all. There's a lot about the execution of Red Sparrow that doesn't leave you feeling like you just watched an expy Black Widow movie or even a severely altered Elseworlds Black Widow movie.

    I'm not sure that Black Widow would be different from Red Sparrow just because Red Sparrow is slow and suspenseful, though. The fact that Marvel hired the Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy production designer and a director with a pedigree in psychological thrillers makes me think that the Black Widow movie might aim for a more suspenseful and cerebral tone.

    Having said that, the similarities and differences are interesting to think about. Dominika in Red Sparrow is also a ballerina, but notably, she doesn't become a spy until after she's injured and can no longer perform (not from childhood). She's sent to a specialized school of deep cover agents. She has a father figure in her life who is mostly responsible for her entering the spy program, and who also is inappropriately attracted to her. She flirts with the idea of defecting to America.

    (The book is actually even more different from Black Widow stories. Dominika only gets sent to "Sparrow School" part way through her spy training as a punishment for failure; it's actually looked down upon as a "wh*re school" because it's a honeypot training program. The big pull of the book is actually that she has Synesthesia Superpowers — not unlike the ones in Pseudonymous Bosch's Secret Series. Dominika can use her synesthesia to tell whenever anyone is lying, basically.)

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