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    Default Unofficial Rumbles Shorthand Dictionary

    Here on Rumbles, we use high-end feats based on a character's consistent presentation to define said character's abilities. However, sometimes it can get awfully long-winded to spout out a ton of feats and compare them to existing characters, especially if we've done it a few dozen times already.

    So here, I'm going to list specific Rumbles Shorthand that tends to be used to give a benchmark for a character's abilities, just for people to reference.

    NOTE: None of these shorthands are legit bases for comparison. Saying someone is a bullet-timer doesn't mean their feats shouldn't be trotted out for examination if requested, and compared against those of other characters. These phrases are just short, lazy methods of pegging characters without bothering to provide feats for comparison.

    Feats are still necessary if questions are raised.

    Aim-Dodging/Aim-Dodger - The act of moving with such skill and speed that people cannot draw a bead upon the character, or a character capable of such a feat. Batman and Captain America are essentially the poster-people for this kind of movement.

    Blitz - To have a sufficient speed advantage that one can attack another character and simply hammer home blows too quickly for them to defend.

    Bullet-Time/Bullet Timer - Used to indicate the speed of someone capable of reacting to bullets after they've been fired, or a character capable of such a feat. Swatting bullets out of the air with a thin, metal club, waiting until they're fired then dodging or activating a power, these sorts of things must be explicitly shown. Usually considered sufficiently fast in hand to hand combat to blitz a Comic Book Peak Human.

    -Buster - Suffix generally used to indicate a level of strength/power capable of destroying the object to which the suffix refers. 'Mountain-buster', for example, indicates a character capable of (through use of powers or sheer strength) shattering/destroying a mountain. Note: Fern-Buster. Occasionally used in mockery of Yours Truly to refer to a nerfed Dr. Strange due to an accidental misspelling of 'planet'.

    CBPH - See Comic Book Peak Human, below.

    Class (Number) - The Marvel handbooks introduced a Class system for strength, where the number after 'Class' indicated the tons a character could press overhead (ie, Class 80 = 80 tons). Comics promptly violated this system, with Class 50's carrying locomotives, Class 80's making weapons out of compressed buildings and juggling tanks, and Class 100's lifting mountains and demonstrating even greater feats. These days, it's considered shorthand for 'Has feats of strength on a par with people Marvel considers to be that strong'. Ie, someone who can juggle tanks like toys and make hand to hand weapons out of sufficient compressed steel to make a building, or use an airplane to hit another character, might be called Class 80, or in the same sort of strength as Ben Grimm/The Thing. Why? Because it's easier than saying 'he has this feat, this feat, and this feat, and that puts him at about the same strength as the Thing so he should be able to do the same sorts of feats as Ben Grimm.'

    Combat Precognition/Precog - Having some sort of method of knowing an opponent's actions before they carry them out. Some examples include genuine precognition (seeing the future) that has been shown as useable in combat (the character in the movie 'Next'), advanced body reading (Cassandra Cain, Post Crisis Shiva, Daredevil to a lesser extent), Telepathy shown to provide this skill (Mr. X), specialized systems (Midnighter's Combat Computer), etc.

    Comic Book Peak Human aka CBPH - Having feats placing the character in the same area of physicality as Captain America or Batman, who are the poster-children for this sort of thing in Marvel and DC respectively.

    Curbstomp (included for completeness) - When one character utterly crushes another (see 'Bambi versus Godzilla' or the like). It's not considered kosher to deliberately make such threads on Rumbles, though mistakes happen.

    Ringer (often used incorrectly) - In Rumbles parlance, a Ringer is someone who breaks the 'comic book peak human threshold' without being a metahuman, for whatever reason. The important thing is the lack of enhancement from anything - they achieve this level simply through natural abilities and specialized training. Cassandra Cain, Shang Chi, Elektra, Daredevil, all would be considered 'ringers' with regards to their speed. Classic Wilson Fisk demonstrates durability and strength FAR beyond anything shown by a Comic Book Peak Human, and would rightly be considered a Ringer for those characteristics. The term is sometimes incorrectly used to qualify someone faster than a peak human but slower than a bullet-timer.

    Shunpo - This refers to the common trope in anime and manga of having characters who fight and move by literally seeming to disappear and reappear in front of other characters. Obviously this is in no way a uniform thing but there was certainly a time when this in common parlance. The terms Shunpo and Flash Step are the Japanese and English names for the high speed movement technique used in the series Bleach which caused the phrase to be coined back when it was extremely popular. Aka Flash Step movement.

    Street-Leveller - Used to indicate a character who operates on a level much more close to normal human. The term comes from the idea of 'street-level' stories, where characters deal with low-powered supers or criminal organizations. Daredevil, non-JLA Batman, Shang Chi, and similar characters tend to be considered examples of street-level. Spiderman, for all that many of his stories take place on the street, is generally considered too powerful to be a legitimate Street-Leveller.


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    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
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    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
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    Really appreciate this. Should be made into a sticky really.

    Question: What about those who are somewhere in between Real life Peak human and CBPH? What's the name for them? Aka guys who have shown to be physically superior to Real Life Peak humans in physical stats, yet still rank below CBPH's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody View Post
    Really appreciate this. Should be made into a sticky really.

    Question: What about those who are somewhere in between Real life Peak human and CBPH? What's the name for them? Aka guys who have shown to be physically superior to Real Life Peak humans in physical stats, yet still rank below CBPH's?
    Sigh. Really it should just be "below comic book peak human" and there's no... "category" for that, it's kinda bleah for me that people try to make one, like "arrow timing", which, okay, the origin of "arrow timing"?

    There was, several board reboots/crashes ago, a poster that really, really advocated hard for Buffy against all sorts of people, even ones with reflex showings the living crap beyond her. To get around this, he started to refer to her reflexes and those of several others as "arrow timing", in a way to try and equate them all if it was said enough. After all, if they're all in that "category", they can't be that different! We get board memes about a character's capacity sometimes or an event that are based in things that it turns out were never even implied to have happened (oh, Buffy in that case caught arrows, sure, but like nothing on the scale of people she was being lumped together with), but we said them enough that they took hold anyway (and I'm not myself immune to getting caught up in that), and when we're already going from "basically we're creating logic for a thing that has nothing to do with logic in order to have nerd debates", the whole thing kind of falls apart if we double down on nothing, if you can dig it.
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    People whose feats are better than real life people.

    Remember, we go by feats. People 'between real life humans and comic book peak humans'...that's a HUGE area to cover. Silver Sable, Black Widow, those two pull off stuff that real life humans couldn't manage, but their not on the same level of physicality as Nightwing, for example. Putting a label on that - calling them 'Comic Book Human' - can give the idea that they're all in the same area. We have enough of a problem with Bullet-Time for that (all bullet-timers are NOT the same speed, it's all about feats).

    It's better to just say 'This character does stuff that could not be replicated by real life people.' And then give examples.
    Why Are We Here?, by Pendaran

    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
    - Estrecca

    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
    - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
    - Pendaran

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    Ninja'ed by Pendaran.

    As noted, basically it boils down to 'these things are shorthand, they're not evidence in and of themselves'.
    Why Are We Here?, by Pendaran

    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
    - Estrecca

    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
    - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
    - Pendaran

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    As a side note, I will NOT be adding Arrow-Timer or Laser-Timer or any other stuff like that, so please don't ask. :(
    Why Are We Here?, by Pendaran

    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
    - Estrecca

    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
    - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
    - Pendaran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    As a side note, I will NOT be adding Arrow-Timer or Laser-Timer or any other stuff like that, so please don't ask.
    Egg-Timer: A device used for timing how long an egg should be boiled for.

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    You. Out.

    :)
    Why Are We Here?, by Pendaran

    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
    - Estrecca

    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
    - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
    - Pendaran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    Egg-Timer: A device used for timing how long an egg should be boiled for.
    Fernbuster - Dr. Strange post-Classic levels of power. A term coined by a mysterious poster.
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    ....I can see this is going to be a never-ending cavalcade of 'You. Out.'
    Why Are We Here?, by Pendaran

    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
    - Estrecca

    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
    - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
    - Pendaran

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    No-brainer: Shorthand for people able to push nosebones into brains?... I think a lot of your Berserk Buttons are going to be pushed in this thread, indeed.

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    Sharp's Wife - The woman who is going to murder us all shortly,
    "Someone or thing has got to pay, it's given too much to take away. Oh I just want a legacy, Oh I just want it all to never fade! Don't we all arrive, at the same place where we began?" - Divisi

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchGemini View Post
    No-brainer: Shorthand for people able to push nosebones into brains?... I think a lot of your Berserk Butntons are going to be pushed in this thread, indeed.
    And then I thought, 'I set myself up for this, didn't I?'

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    Sharp's Wife - The woman who is going to murder us all shortly,
    Too busy laughing at me, I suspect.
    Why Are We Here?, by Pendaran

    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers."
    - Estrecca

    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
    - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
    - Pendaran

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    Wonder if a situation where a character will (apparently) always win if they have prep time should be called Batprep? Owning to the character it generally gets connected to. Might need a more detailed explanation but that's my take.

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