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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I myself have postulated a not-very similar idea.

    Yes, Kathy Kane did train her. But when Kathy found out the truth of her father; his ideas for world control - including the school for young ladies - she realized her father and other forces would use Bette as a template for these student trainings.

    Kathy sent her away for her own protection, but possibly Bette's own keen Detective abilities kept this in her mind; so she never lost the spirit of becoming a true caped crusader.
    I like your idea.

    Sometimes you can keep someone safer by sending them away. Sometimes you keep someone safer by keeping them close.

    I would like for Bette to be tied into other things than just the current Batwoman. Some of her possible true but not reconciled history involves time with the Teen Titans.

    In effect Bette/y was trained by Batwoman and maybe to a small degree by Bruce, in the Silver Age.

    Possibly some training or just working on her own skills in her brief Teen Titans stint (or similar retconning)

    Then her best training would seem to have come in the new 52 era with first Kate, and then Jacob.

    So on the idea that she may have more skills or training than most would think; ie; "appears to be *just* a blonde" I could see her confidence growing and allowing herself to be the 'plant' for certain missions.
    Bette really does not have time to wait for development in the pages of Batwoman. We've been waiting for decades for DC to remember Bette exists. She really needs to bloom now...so other writers may become interested in her.

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    I think in Kathy's "retcon" (first "greatest" love of Bruce) we see more qualities like that. Although Bette was a niece by marriage (to a widowed guy who would end up leaving her a widow), even in the Silver Age she seemed concerned about Bette's entry into danger. So that works for me, especially if the retcon about KK's Nazi father holds up and all.

    I think the "twice-named" daughter of Kane (first Bat-Girl, now Flamebird who has no connection to Nightwing) has had various editorial forces arrayed against her. It would take a lot more fans asking, begging, etc. But I'm not going anywhere.

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    **** THANK YOU! very nice.

    [come back, Flamebird, come back!]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    Oooh, man, that's super awesome! (And I echo Oberon - Tynion should bring Bette back!)
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    So, referencing the thread on whether Dick should be with Starfire or Batgirl, I am wondering if this foreshadows anything in particular.

    I've always felt that one of the reasons why Bette is not being used more is that the name "Flamebird" is a constant reminder that she is/should be/used to be

    somehow connected to Nightwing - but for probably most of publication history that has never been the case.
    Yet various fans remember there was an in story reason for why each of them had their name.

    But editorial, I am pretty sure, don't want such a connection. So I think this was part of the reason she was deconstructed in the first Batwoman series, to become Hawkfire

    (a name that proves there was really no decent reflection on how or why it should change - other than to be "not" Flamebird).

    So although I'll continue reading BW and Detective and hoping for some action with Bette, I'm pretty sure that once again

    she will end up not being / using the name FB

    She will never have any of her connection to her past eras; the original Bat-girl (who clearly liked Dick, though later it was used for comic intent in her pre-Nu52 "Flamebird" appearances).

    She's just a character that no one knows what to do with - or secretly despises her and will keep her in tier Z (sub.372 level - i.e.; cameos, mostly).

    But she's a blonde-haired stepchild, not a red-haired one . . . so at least she's got that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I think in Kathy's "retcon" (first "greatest" love of Bruce) we see more qualities like that. Although Bette was a niece by marriage (to a widowed guy who would end up leaving her a widow), even in the Silver Age she seemed concerned about Bette's entry into danger. So that works for me, especially if the retcon about KK's Nazi father holds up and all.
    The whole retcon is imo anyway a very confusing mess.

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    Yeah, sure, but either way

    Bette is just a (now) cousin, that no body really cares for.

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