Avengers/New Avengers: Time Runs Out (with spoilers)

[PlanetaryDevastation]

The only problem with that is, it would remove Steve's whole side as actual players in this storyline, reducing them to mere pawns.

True but it would fit in the whole "manipulating people and events from in the shadows" theme that has been apart of Hickman's run.

[XPac]

They all DO know about the Incursions, though, since the whole world does at this point. Steve's powers must be strong if none of them care about saving the world any more.

Technically the world isn't in danger if the Cabal are handling things. So it's really a matter of whether or not they care about saving the OTHER world.

[brainwasher]

Technically the world isn't in danger if the Cabal are handling things. So it's really a matter of whether or not they care about saving the OTHER world.

Most of them (Steve's Avengers) are men of action, couldn't do anything to solve a problem like Incursions anyway.

[vitruvian]

Technically the world isn't in danger if the Cabal are handling things. So it's really a matter of whether or not they care about saving the OTHER world.

1) They're being led by Steve, and that was his whole objection to the Illuminati building the bombs, which was why he got mindwiped in the first place - so unless he's had a complete change of heart on this matter, his side MUST care about the other Earths, too. It's not like the Cabal is killing them any less dead, or like they should care less that the Cabal are doing it.

2) If Steve and co. HAVE changed their minds on this point, then all of this is not about building the bombs, but solely about secrecy, the mindwipe, and personal betrayal of Steve - in which case, this really shouldn't be SHIELD's first priority.

3) Even if Steve and his allies can deal with the Cabal killing the other Earth if that's the only available choice to save two universes, it's not like they should be okay with that staying the only option as opposed to working towards a better solution.

4) And even if they were okay with the solution, the people carrying it around are still a problem, at least for the long term. I mean, we can't really be saying that they trust Thanos and co. with the survival of the universe, and that they're confident the Cabal won't eventually either mess up or decide to end Earth/the universe just for kicks, can we?

[vitruvian]

Most of them (Steve's Avengers) are men of action, couldn't do anything to solve a problem like Incursions anyway.

Some of them (e.g., Blue Marvel) are big brains, though, and even those that aren't would see solving the problem as a higher priority than hunting down those who are trying to solve it....

[celeherald]

Some of them (e.g., Blue Marvel) are big brains, though, and even those that aren't would see solving the problem as a higher priority than hunting down those who are trying to solve it....

I would also think Blue Marvel would never go with a greater good overall solution.

[XPac]

1) They're being led by Steve, and that was his whole objection to the Illuminati building the bombs, which was why he got mindwiped in the first place - so unless he's had a complete change of heart on this matter, his side MUST care about the other Earths, too. It's not like the Cabal is killing them any less dead, or like they should care less that the Cabal are doing it.

2) If Steve and co. HAVE changed their minds on this point, then all of this is not about building the bombs, but solely about secrecy, the mindwipe, and personal betrayal of Steve - in which case, this really shouldn't be SHIELD's first priority.

3) Even if Steve and his allies can deal with the Cabal killing the other Earth if that's the only available choice to save two universes, it's not like they should be okay with that staying the only option as opposed to working towards a better solution.

4) And even if they were okay with the solution, the people carrying it around are still a problem, at least for the long term. I mean, we can't really be saying that they trust Thanos and co. with the survival of the universe, and that they're confident the Cabal won't eventually either mess up or decide to end Earth/the universe just for kicks, can we?

It's more than fair to say that the Illuminati shouldn't be SHIELD or Caps priority. That aspect of the story has them OOC certainly. Maybe we'll find out more which helps to clear up some of this but as it stands I think Steves priorities are certainly flawed.

[itspopularnowitsucks]

It's more than fair to say that the Illuminati shouldn't be SHIELD or Caps priority. That aspect of the story has them OOC certainly. Maybe we'll find out more which helps to clear up some of this but as it stands I think Steves priorities are certainly flawed.

Yeah, there is still that undisclosed meeting between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark, and hopefully that will clear something up.

Hickman also need to explain why other plans like secondary Earth, Rogue Planet, Exodus etc. won't work. Now we only have Kang's word for it, not very reassuring.

Remember for a long time people are saying why Hickman doesn't explain that Franklin can't solve everything for them? Then it was explained that he tried and failed? Hopefully same thing will happen again in near future.

[Moose100]

When did this meeting happen? I'm forgettign plot points lol.

[itspopularnowitsucks]

When did this meeting happen? I'm forgettign plot points lol.

IIRC it's mentioned by Black Widow and Spider-woman when they visited Tony Stark in capture. It happened before Steve's big hunt on Illuminati. Don't know what time it would placed regards to LOL *AXIS* LOL.

[SKJoker]

Yeah, there is still that undisclosed meeting between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark, and hopefully that will clear something up.

Hickman also need to explain why other plans like secondary Earth, Rogue Planet, Exodus etc. won't work. Now we only have Kang's word for it, not very reassuring.

Remember for a long time people are saying why Hickman doesn't explain that Franklin can't solve everything for them? Then it was explained that he tried and failed? Hopefully same thing will happen again in near future.

Infinite worlds, infinite possibilities already explains that. If the Living Tribunal or OAA haven't solved it (the former for... obvious reasons), Franklin certainly wouldn't be able to. And not as a kid.

[Moose100]

Infinite worlds, infinite possibilities already explains that. If the Living Tribunal or OAA haven't solved it (the former for... obvious reasons), Franklin certainly wouldn't be able to. And not as a kid.

LT is dead too..

[vitruvian]

I would also think Blue Marvel would never go with a greater good overall solution.

Maybe not, but he's still going to prioritize working on the threat to the whole universe's existence over hunting down the Illuminati.

And if he's not okay with the greater good solution of destroying the other Earth, he wouldn't hesitate to take on the Cabal to stop them from doing it, either.

[Mark]

There's a lot of wholes in this plot and Steve's actions against the Illuminati is one of them. Maybe the age increase has gotten to him, but the once great heroic character I knew would not put the entire multiverse in jeopardy for a personal vendetta. That would be like Beast putting all of time and space in jeopardy by bringing characters into the future just to prove a point to Cyclops.

[Moose100]

There's a lot of wholes in this plot and Steve's actions against the Illuminati is one of them. Maybe the age increase has gotten to him, but the once great heroic character I knew would not put the entire multiverse in jeopardy for a personal vendetta. That would be like Beast putting all of time and space in jeopardy by bringing characters into the future just to prove a point to Cyclops.

Yeah I feel that way too. He comes off as a senile angry old man..