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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanvaljean View Post
    Look, she had polls, lots of them, pretty much all of them, telling her she would win those states (primaries not being generals and all that), so she decided to go for the long game and try to turn the South blue for elections to come. If the FBI had not sabotaged her at the last minute, it likely would have worked and we would be praising her as a visionary now for turning Georgia blue.
    Sure. Ignore concrete realities(statewide voting patterns that are repeating almost exactly/actually losing the primary) while buying into predictions in a race where predictions have already bit the dust.

    Sure. Let's ignore those concrete realities and decide that it was Comey and not them.

    It's mind blowing that people are still holding onto that.

    "But, If...!"

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    And of course, not all the damaging propaganda that came out of Russia came from Russians.



    Some very influential people said some very, very stupid things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Sure. Ignore concrete realities(statewide voting patterns that are repeating almost exactly/actually losing the primary) while buying into predictions in a race where predictions have already bit the dust.

    Sure. Let's ignore those concrete realities and decide that it was Comey and not them.

    It's mind blowing that people are still holding onto that.

    "But, If...!"
    Look, when it seemed certain to win, journalists were praising her campaign strategy, her performance at the debates, etc. Now the armchair quarterbacks are using hindsight and saying she ran the WORST. CAMPAIGN. EVER.

    It boils down to you not doing your share in preventing a catastrophic outcome, no matter how you spin it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanvaljean View Post
    And of course, not all the damaging propaganda that came out of Russia came from Russians.



    Some very influential people said some very, very stupid things.
    Jeez...

    Take a close look at the date on that.

    Folks need to realize that plenty of folks felt that way before that ever went up.

    If you disagree? Fine. That doesn't automatically equal folks being brainwashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanvaljean View Post
    Look, when it seemed certain to win, journalists were praising her campaign strategy, her performance at the debates, etc. Now the armchair quarterbacks are using hindsight and saying she ran the WORST. CAMPAIGN. EVER.

    It boils down to you not doing your share in preventing a catastrophic outcome, no matter how you spin it.
    Oh, journalists!

    It's a good thing their view of things outweighs concrete realities like -

    - The Pattern Of Voting In Recent Statewide Elections.
    - That Someone Might Need To Put Some Work Into States Where They Lost A Primary.

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    Primaries are not generals elections.

    If you think that a couple of rallies would have convinced sexist racists in the rust belt that her very public plan to revitalize their communities was better than the celebrity they knew playing a successful business man on TV, you're just deluding yourself. The election revealed an ugly truth about some voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Look...

    If folks want to present even remotely plausible ways that it is not voting patterns repeating themselves in places where someone did not show up and do the campaigning they should have but some other elements that actually created the outcome, great.

    In order to do so, those folks are going to have to be able to minimize what even President Obama has pointed to being the case.
    Are you seriously trying to convince anyone Obama agrees with you that 100% of the reason is Hillary's campaign?

    The part is still not the whole, and realizing that there are multiple influences on national/world events doesn't minimize any of them. Unless of course you insist on not accepting there was any impact by those influences and actively try to minimize them as you continue to do.

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    On this date in both 2015, as well as 2016, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” profiled the U.S. House Representative from New Jersey's 5th District, Scott Garrett, who since taking office in 2002, has advocated for intelligent design to be taught in public school instead of evolution, and claims that he’s against same sex marriage because he believes children should be raised in two parent households (meaning he might not know gay adoption is a thing). Garrett voted against the renewal of the Violence Against Women Act and the Voting Rights Act, and voted to shut down the federal government in 2013. He also has publicly agreed with Birther conspiracy theorists that there’s something to President Obama’s birth certificate, and written letters to Obama to demand “the truth about what happened in Benghazi”. Garrett is also noteworthy in that he voted against disaster relief for both Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Sandy (the latter hit his own district, so at least there’s no double standard… he just doesn’t care at all). In January 2016, as millions of Americans continued to sign up for health insurance available through the Affordable Care Act, and the percentage of uninsured Americans was reaching appreciably lower numbers, Scott Garrett appears on Tony Perkins’ Family Research Council show, “Washington Watch”, where he claimed only “one or two” people were uninsured prior to Obamacare. The real number was, of course, 17 million people. So he was only off by about 17 million or sov at the time.

    And, we’re proud to report that in the 2016 elections, Scott Garrett was defeated by former White House speechwriter, Democrat Josh Gottheimer, and Garrett had originally refused to concede the race, in spite of losing by a large margin of over 10,000 votes in one of the more expensive Congressional races in the country. Gottheimer hit Garrett hard on his stance to not support his own party’s Congressional fund because they refused to deny support to gay candidates.

    Garrett leaves office with little to no legacy, in spite of having held office for seven terms, other than being one of the co-founders and mainstays of the House Freedom Caucus and pushing hard for the ouster of John Boehner. Other than being a miserable son of a bitch for a decade and a half, of course.
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    Report: Russian Elite Invested Nearly $100 Million In Trump Buildings, Records Show

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    More on Tillerson's tour of Asia. Seems like he's not winning any points in Korea.

    Tillerson may or may not have had 'fatique' oh and he's just got one journalist with him.

    The U.S. government on Saturday denied a report saying Secretary of State Rex Tillerson opted not to have dinner with his South Korean counterparts on a diplomatic visit because of “fatigue”.
    where he warned military action against nuclear-armed North Korea was an option if the threat from the regime escalates, in what appeared to mark a major policy shift.
    The Korea Herald reported that Tillerson had “shortened diplomatic consultations and public events in Seoul”. It added that his meetings with Foreign Minister Yun Byung-Se and Acting President Hwang Kyo-Ahn had been brief compared to those with Japanese officials on the previous leg of the tour.

    “Seoul officials said the U.S. side opted not to have a meal together, citing the secretary’s ‘fatigue,’” the report said.

    However, a U.S. embassy official in Seoul on Saturday dismissed the account as “incorrect”, saying: “There was no dinner planned”.

    “He had a private dinner and he had no official dinner planned,” the official told AFP, adding that Tillerson had held “substantive” talks with Hwang and Yun.
    Tillerson broke with decades of tradition by opting not to take any accredited reporters with him on the Asia trip apart from one journalist from a conservative publication.
    I know they're impeaching President Park, but that is no reason not to talk to those in power at the moment and on top of that. If this is true about him choosing to pretty much favor Japan over Korea, that's going to cause more issues. Not to mention he only stayed there 24 hours and is staying in Beijing longer. I guess he's hooking up with Trumps buddies or something. Really he needed to assure the korean's more then the, you know, Japanese since they're on the border with the nutty boy from the North.

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    Palm Beach County officials are reportedly considering raising taxes if they don't receive help from the federal government or President Trump himself to cover costs associated with Trump's security during his visits to his private Mar-a-Lago club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    "I don't shake hands. Especially with someone who has all those German germs."
    He sits there like a scolded schoolboy.

    Of course he is an idiot and she is a physicist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojotastic View Post
    Turkey relations with the EU are going south.

    First we have Turkey interior minister has threatened to blow the mind of Europe by sending 15.000 refugees per month.
    http://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-threat.../28375772.html

    This goes against the deal the EU-Turkey had signed last year to lessen the flow of migrants coming to the EU.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...efugee-deal-qa

    This would be a logistical nightmare for any president/Pm in the EU.

    It seem like Turkey is using refugees and migrants as a weapon against Europe and it shows, Turkey forced one of the biggest aid group to shut down their operation in the country leaving 360.000 refugees without the care they need, the name of the aid group is mercy corps.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ut-operations/
    https://noticias.terra.com.co/los-tr...belhep1ru.html

    And now Erdogan is calling turks "the future of Europe", telling them to have big families so they can outnumber native europeans, it seems he is trying to stir nationalism sentiments so he can get more chances in the referendum in April.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/w...of-europe.html
    Sabre rattling.

    Like any other dictator, he needs to focus his people's attention somewhere else, because right now the economy in Turkey is, thanks to his shit, completely ruined.

    So, people look towards the other countries, and he tries to use nationalism to get his will through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Trapezohedron View Post
    He sits there like a scolded schoolboy.

    Of course he is an idiot and she is a physicist...

    In Trump's defense... I have looked at the scene of him not shaking her hand a few times now, and he may just have had a "senior moment." Trump is constantly exhausted (because even while he mostly plays golf, this is the most work he has ever done in his life), he's 70 and clearly has mental issues. I think he didn't hear the question properly and was too proud or confused to ask.

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