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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    Trumps VA secretary David Shulkin received improper gifts and used taxpayer money for a European vacation with his wife
    Ethics probe on that one started today as well as Porter and the speech writer. And Gowdy is coming out swinging against Trump on all 3 of these. Which is odd because he's not on the HEC anymore.

    EDIT: Farenthold's probe is publishing some findings today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogindy View Post
    Unfortunately for you, since it will go against your beliefs, but micromanagement of the food stamps program.

    I'm actually not for government micromanagement, but if you want to ensure the program is used to its peak potential, you'll need to incentivize certain purchases. Farmers markets already offer discounts for food stamp users, so why not have grocery stores adopt a similar program. And, because transactions are usually in bulk, have data jockeys examine these transactions and see if people are buying balanced items and aren't just buying 12 bottles of soda every week.

    My issue with this "blanket" idea is that it's clearly utilizing a "one size fits all" philosophy, when food isn't that simple. People have various dietary habits, nutritional needs, allergies, and religious preferences.

    And, then there's the actual enforcement of the program. Hiring contractors to can and ship the products, making sure they are delivered, minimizing loss and theft (which you know WILL happen), and addressing people who can't easily get these packages. Obviously, they'll want the lowest bidder to do it, and if the Puerto Rico meal fiasco (only 50,000 meals made out of a 3 million order ever made) is any recent indicator, I don't trust whomever gets the contract to do the dang job right.

    It's going to cost the government more to enforce this "Blue Apron" program than what they are currently doing in the long haul, but you know... MAGA!
    That sounds likely to fail for all the reasons you cite. They already have some sensible exclusions like Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco. I'd add snack foods like Doritos and Potato Chips and carbonated soft drinks. You know people would get ticked off though. But if a bag of Frito Lays Chips cost $4.99 these days you'd be better off buying soup, hot or cold cereal (hopefully not Fruit Loops!) or vegetables. Even though I make good money I don't want to pay $4.99 for chips Yet I've seen people in the check out line with several large bags of Cheetos, etc. using food stamps.

    I knew a young lady whose family immigrated to the US from the former Yugoslavia...legally mind you. She said something to me that I thought was pretty funny at the time. She said " I never saw fat poor people until I moved to this country" We all tend to make poor food choices but with the poor the consequences are compounded because they may not be able to get the health care they need. Esp now that the GOP wants to slash Medicare and Medicaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    That sounds likely to fail for all the reasons you cite. They already have some sensible exclusions like Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco. I'd add snack foods like Doritos and Potato Chips and carbonated soft drinks. You know people would get ticked off though. But if a bag of Frito Lays Chips cost $4.99 these days you'd be better off buying soup, hot or cold cereal (hopefully not Fruit Loops!) or vegetables. Even though I make good money I don't want to pay $4.99 for chips Yet I've seen people in the check out line with several large bags of Cheetos, etc. using food stamps.

    I knew a young lady whose family immigrated to the US from the former Yugoslavia...legally mind you. She said something to me that I thought was pretty funny at the time. She said " I never saw fat poor people until I moved to this country" We all tend to make poor food choices but with the poor the consequences are compounded because they may not be able to get the health care they need. Esp now that the GOP wants to slash Medicare and Medicaid.
    COSTCO won't let you get energy drinks or soda with your EBT.

    I'm down for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    Did you watch the PBS Frontline on ICE & MS-13? The evidence ICE uses for deportation is flimsy at best.

    EDIT: Here's a link.
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    Trump's asking Congress for $30M for his military parade. That is enough to cover the cost of the 23K service men & women who will lose SNAP coverage. Plus he wants it on Flag Day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    dismantle or defund - basically leave them with just enough to operate and only when directed, not whenever they feel like it

    ICE does serve a function, but its been corrupted by the WH and needs to be put back on the leash
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    Sen. Elizabeth Warren — often derided as “Pocahontas” by Donald Trump — made a surprise appearance Wednesday before the National Congress of American Indians in Washington to address the controversial nickname head-on.


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    Warren said that her mother, whose family is “part Native American,” and father eloped at age 19 and 20, respectively, against her grandparents’ wishes. She then promised to use Trump’s fondness of the racist nickname “Pocahontas” to uplift the stories of Native Americans.

    “Every time someone brings up my family’s story, I’m going to use it to lift up the story of your families and your communities,” Warren said. “Your story is about contributions. The contributions you make to a country that took so much and keeps asking for more, contributions like serving in the military at rates higher than any other group in America.”
    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...ckname-head-on

    I have a gut feeling she would not do this if she didn't have something like DNA evidence. She wants to spring it on everybody from Trump to Dana Loesch after whipping them into a renewed frenzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    dismantle or defund - basically leave them with just enough to operate and only when directed, not whenever they feel like it

    ICE does serve a function, but its been corrupted by the WH and needs to be put back on the leash
    Dismantle and create a new agency. One that works with INS.

    INCSE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    dismantle or defund - basically leave them with just enough to operate and only when directed, not whenever they feel like it

    ICE does serve a function, but its been corrupted by the WH and needs to be put back on the leash
    I don't think it does anymore. Seriously, anything it does can be reallocated to other law enforcement of government agencies, local through federal. I would like to see it permanently dismantled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Dismantle and create a new agency. One that works with INS.

    INCSE?
    How about NICEs?
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    another resignation

    a member of the Idiots Economic Advisory Council had to resign after learning he could not receive a permanent security clearance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    How about NICEs?
    Naturalization, Immigration, & Customs Enforcement Services? Maybe. The more I think about it, the enforcement end needs to go so somebody else. Maybe NICO: Nat, Imm, & Customs Office.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    another resignation

    a member of the Idiots Economic Advisory Council had to resign after learning he could not receive a permanent security clearance
    Who!? Didn't they all resign in August 17?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    That sounds likely to fail for all the reasons you cite. They already have some sensible exclusions like Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco.
    I saw a guy buying about 40 Sweet Tarts and a few lotto tickets with his EBT card. I don't think that should be allowed. It should be limited to food, not candy and the lotto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Naturalization, Immigration, & Customs Enforcement Services? Maybe. The more I think about it, the enforcement end needs to go so somebody else. Maybe NICO: Nat, Imm, & Customs Office.


    Who!? Didn't they all resign in August 17?
    Maybe you're thinking of the HIV Advisory Council?

    Going into today, and this new round of resignations, the Trump White House has a turnover rate of like 32%.
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