Last edited by AlexanderLuthor; 04-22-2016 at 03:38 PM.
Look, I really don't understand if you were joking or not. Anyway, apart from your personal case, as I said some pages ago I really find it disturbing that a lot of people keep mixing the allegations against Berganza with his work as an editor. At this point I'm fairly sure that several people on this thread are using the sexual harassment thing as a pretext to get Berganza fired because they don't like his work on the Superman family, and this is immoral beyond belief.
We don't really know what happened with Lobdell behind the scene, and in any case I really don't understand what this has to do with Berganza's case.I mean we do have Lobdell repeatedly sexually harassing a woman on camera during a comic-con panel with no apparent repercussions other than a half-assed apology
Last edited by Myskin; 04-22-2016 at 03:48 PM.
Last edited by AlexanderLuthor; 04-22-2016 at 04:00 PM.
what matters is that he was outed
Lobdell has many failures working on DC comics teen titans, superboy... but still keep getting job.
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Ugh. My stories are old, the 90s, but harassment was at DC when I was there and handled with a slap on the wrist.
Last edited by Tayswift; 04-22-2016 at 04:12 PM.
janelle asseling that worked with them on DC told on twitter and i'm lying? alllriiiight
IDK but DC have been sucking ultimately, but I'm willing to give rebirth a chance
These are quotes from the Mary Sue article that was written by Marcy Cook (script and article writer) regarding harassment in the industry:
According to a source I spoke to for this article who wished to remain nameless, one of the most senior editors at DC is known by management to have multiple sexual harassment allegations already in his HR file. Instead of firing someone who has behaved inappropriately multiple times, DC has, according to my well-known source, stopped hiring women who would have to work with him. This offender was kept in the DC offices when DC made the move from its New York City location to Burbank–possibly because he’s not the company’s worst offender.There is allegedly another employee still working at DC who allegedly assaulted a woman multiple times in his office. The woman concerned reported him multiple times to management at DC and the person who hired her, but didn’t receive the support she needed and eventually left DC altogether. Instead of firing the alleged offender for his actions, DC, I am told, moved him from comics to another department. It was apparently considered more important to shield the man involved, than to offer support to the woman. The man allegedly now works under a tacit rule where no women are allowed alone in his office.According to another source who requested anonymity, another DC editor is allegedly renowned within the industry for the way he ‘mentors’ women (his ‘process’ allegedly involves sleeping with them). This has reportedly been going on for years, and is considered an ‘open secret’ at the company. But it’s not just DC. According to another source, Marvel Comics employs a non editorial staffer who staff now apparently seat away from any women at events. He’s well known for his wandering hands, and they tend to wander up the legs of women nearby without asking for consent first. The same source told about another Marvel regular who worked on very prominent titles in the 80s and 90s is well-known for inappropriate touching.Marvel’s recently-announced Red Wolf title has also become a very public PR disaster for employing a publicly named and accused abuser. Many readers feel Marvel is forcing fans to choose to either support a diverse book knowing that they are also supporting the abuser, or not support the book but hurt the sales of a diverse comic. It’s a situation that could easily be avoided by Marvel removing the problem individual and then continuing with the title, but the easy solution has not been publicly discussed by Marvel.The volume of abuse within the industry has created a culture of fear and protectionism, and although women and people of color are the usual targets, that’s not to say men have not been affected too. I was told a story by one source of a straight guy getting his crotch grabbed by another guy. The comic book industry is small and very set in its ways, and we have a situation right now where the abusers keep getting rehired but those trying to blow the whistle are blacklisted.Two different sources told me the same story involving a smaller press. I can only reveal the specifics of one story, as one of those sources asked for some of the information to be withheld. The man involved allegedly has a drinking issue, is deeply disliked by staffers, and has reportedly grabbed employees’ crotches (and in one instance, licked an employee’s ear) without permission. Multiple incidents have happened in public, but for various reasons I can’t discuss those at this time. I was told two other stories about small independent press, but was asked not to give that information out. I’m not sure what it takes to be a guy and get fired from a comics publisher but I know it must take a lot.
So this isn't an issue of it just being one or two people doing this, this is all over the place and not just women being harassed, you have men being attacked too.
Tell you what. I'll wait while you provide some links showing that corporate took it easy on him. Not hearsay, mind you, but a link to the harassment policy at DC. I'll wait.
Find one yet? No? That's odd, because you so obviously know what you're talking about. So, instead, show me a link with evidence that he hasn't changed. Again, not the hearsay & mystical sources you use. Real evidence. I'll wait, again.
Still nothing? Very odd! Unless, of course, you're on a witchhunt, which would better explain your reasoning. AGAIN, just because you're whining that he "only got a wrist slap", it doesn't mean he wasn't disciplined. If the corporate policy is counseling, then guess what? Discipline occured. And if there have been no complaints following that, at work OR outside of work, then guess what? He apparently learned his lesson.
Should we just burn all criminals in prisonat the stake, or should we hope to rehabilitate a few of them? Because by your logic, counseling doesn't work so we should just not try, right? As someone who is very involved with psychology I take massive offense to your inability to grasp this very simple concept.
But you saw people on twitter, so obviously Berganza is still a bad dude. Gotcha. Stay salty.
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On the other hand, a lot of people is playing "Homeland"'s Carrie Mathison just because they read a couple of tweets on the internet and they are depicting DC as a secret society of full-time harassers who protect each other as if they were a sect. I think that this is extremely ignorant and irresponsible and, if there have been serious cases of harassment (and I have no problem in thinking that, in fact, there have been), this is the worst possible way to approach the problem.
I also think that a lot of people wouldn't have said a thing if Lois Lane and Superman were still a couple, and thinking that public indignation on a possible crime may depend on the lives of fictional characters makes me shudder.
Last edited by Myskin; 04-22-2016 at 11:58 PM.
I for one am shocked that people who write immature lowbrow superhero titles are immature lowbrow people.
Sure, give him Trial but until then, why does he keep surviving company restructions that fire (coincidently) women like Shelly Bond and keep him in the Senior editorial spot for one of the flagship characters?
Difference being Loedbell did one incident that I am aware of and unlike Bergaza had the balls to apologize for his behavior. You may be right in asserting that the only reason he`s having another go is because he`s pals with Berganza, but this isn`t a thread about titles. It`s a moral and ethical industry issue.
Particularly when a good number of said titles where relaunched before as well.
Last edited by Aioros22; 04-23-2016 at 08:14 AM.
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I'd be perfectly happy to see Bonanza get the pink slip simply because most of the books he is editing are terrible, and have been so for ages now, so bad at his job.
But the allegations of him being the serial harasser... if it's proven to be true, DC should fire him faster than he could hit the ground by jumping out a window. That said, atm it seems unlikely it will be proven one way or the other, as long as the actual victims choose to remain silent.
Whether that means he should be fired now... that's a whole other thing. But, that he has a history of being sexually harassing isn't something even he seems to be denying.
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The thing is...
If something is happening... no matter how bad it is, or gets... nothing will be done.
Unless it's WB stepping in to take care of it.
And that's not going to happen because it's so far beneath their radar.
Comics news sites are not going to get the attention of WB.
It seems to me that a lot of DC's current issues could be solved by WB taking a more involved approach.
Last edited by Lee Stone; 04-23-2016 at 10:47 AM.
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