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    1. magic isnt real so you can make it what you want when you write it
    2. science would exists independently of male ego if men didnt exist on the island

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agniwolf View Post
    thing is science was this way for at least 800 years, so it may not be about a males ego today but it certainly was at that time i would give it a bigger number, but a thousand years of dark ages makes it a little difficult, and no, science does not walks hand-in hand with magic, they are each other antithesis
    1. magic isnt real so you can make it what you want when you write it
    2. science would exists independently of male ego if men didnt exist on the island

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    Quote Originally Posted by willienotwilliam View Post
    1. magic isnt real so you can make it what you want when you write it
    2. science would exists independently of male ego if men didnt exist on the island
    you do know that all my arguments are a co-relation for the sake of cohesiveness right? and that in the comics books verse magic is "as real as you and me" right? and that even if we take only the real world aproach, from what it is know for sure about magic is that it is his own paradigm with rules not understood by scientific minds right? it is such a paradigm that i could even take your statement of magic being fake and redirect it towards oher themes like faith for example right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agniwolf View Post
    you do know that all my arguments are a co-relation for the sake of cohesiveness right? and that in the comics books verse magic is "as real as you and me" right? and that even if we take only the real world aproach, from what it is know for sure about magic is that it is his own paradigm with rules not understood by scientific minds right? it is such a paradigm that i could even take your statement of magic being fake and redirect it towards oher themes like faith for example right?
    Magic doesn't exist in the real world therefore when you(the creator of a fictional world) write it you can make it exist how you want it to

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    Pretty sure we've done this before, but it's good fun:

    Blessings of the Gods:
    -Blessing of Demeter: The Amazons have been granted superhuman levels of strength and durability. By modern measurements, an average Amazon can lift and carry a load of 12 tons with no greater difficulty. Likewise the skin, muscles and bones of the Amazons are much denser than that of an ordinary human, though it also means they tend to weigh more than they may appear to do.
    -Blessing of Gaea: Through Demeter the Amazons were granted Gaea's blessing as the defenders of the natural world, as such they have a special connection with nature that varies from Amazon to Amazon, making some exceptional gardeners and farmers, others are supreme tenders of animals, others still can communicate with beasts. And in rare cases a mage might even be able to bend both plant and beast to her will.
    -Blessing of Artemis: The senses of the Amazons are much sharper than that or any ordinary human, able to see further and hear more clearly. Also it has granted them with a kind of sixth sense that makes them able to sense the presence of things they might not necessarily be able to see or hear.
    -Blessing of Hestia: With the blessings of Hestia, peace has reigned between the Amazons for millennia and has allowed them to raise Themyscira as a shining reminder of what was once the greatest city on Earth while the bond between populace and state remains as strong as ever.
    -The Blessing of Aphrodite: Aphrodite blessed the Amazons with an emphatic bond between them all that keeps their comradeship strong, so strong in fact that Amazons feel slightly uncomfortable and lonely if they venture too far from their sisters. Such is the nature of the bond, that it can both be extended to outsiders who were not present at the original blessing, and it can be used as a means of punishment if an Amazon should find herself exiled where the bond will be removed from them.
    -Blessing of Athena: With the blessing of Athena, the Amazons were blessed with great skills in many fields of craft, be it with the forge, loom or workbench. Also it has aided them achieve excellence in weapons craft and perfect their tactics in war.
    -We can be heroes: A blessing of Athena, goddess of courage and companion of heroes, all Amazons have the potential to become great heroes of the age. Some only realize it when their lives are about to expire accomplishing a great feat. Some know it might be within them, but remain on Themyscira out of duty to their people or knowing it is not their time yet. And a few have taken the chance to leave the island and become a hero to the outside world as a Wonder Woman.

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    Did some research on the classes from Fate/Stay Night. I think the Saber and Caster classes can serve as templates for the abilities of Soldier and Sorceress class Amazons.

    Soldier Amazons can channel Gaia force or magical energy into them for superhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, invulnerability and depending on their skill, flight. They can also channel this power into objects but non magical weapons will explode after some time.

    http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Saber_(Fate/stay_night)

    Sorceress Amazons can cast spells but have none of the physical abilites, hence they will be vulnerable to weapons and have to fight from a distance. They specialise in Earth and Fire magic, communion with beasts, precognition, invisibility, teleportation etc. They can also create magical items and tools.

    http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Caster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Did some research on the classes from Fate/Stay Night. I think the Saber and Caster classes can serve as templates for the abilities of Soldier and Sorceress class Amazons.

    Soldier Amazons can channel Gaia force or magical energy into them for superhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, invulnerability and depending on their skill, flight. They can also channel this power into objects but non magical weapons will explode after some time.

    http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Saber_(Fate/stay_night)

    Sorceress Amazons can cast spells but have none of the physical abilites, hence they will be vulnerable to weapons and have to fight from a distance. They specialise in Earth and Fire magic, communion with beasts, precognition, invisibility, teleportation etc. They can also create magical items and tools.

    http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Caster
    i would expand from the saber to the knights group (archer, lancer, saber) it would make them more concise, but yes this is actualy what i meant in my envision of the amazons, i just didnt remember f/sn thank you ^^

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    In terms of their physical strength, above normal humans but nowhere near Diana's level. Perhaps something along Captain America (film Cap)'s level for your average Amazon.

    Of course weapons training and perhaps even working some magic into their attacks (though only some of them, not all). And others should not really fight much imo. They can be scientists, or mystics, or tech people, etc. Variety is good imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darius View Post
    I'd like to see more diversity with the current Amazons. Physical enhancement is fine, make them all strong and fast. But I'd really like to see a few with mental enhancement too ... A couple of super scientists, precognition and/or some telepathy to show that they have more than brute force going for them. Animal and plant communication would also be a cool area for them to explore. Basically individual Amazons could be explored to show a variety of power manifestations based on what the Amazons personal interests were.
    ^ This. It would be cool to have Amazon gardeners who could actually control the plant life - such was their relationship.

    Personally I'd like all the Amazons to be more stronger than the average human but perhaps save the flying for Diana.

    On a slight side note, I'd like to see Paradise Island a lot more technological. Kinda like if Jack Kirby had designed it. So a mesh of classical forms - marble statues oversized to massive proportions and then - hidden amongst the columns - floating cars! Invisible jets! Touch screens! And then a gently burning flame to Athena...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueray View Post
    ^ This. It would be cool to have Amazon gardeners who could actually control the plant life - such was their relationship.
    This is one of the things I wonder behind my usual swipes at the wishes for the Amazon society to be technology-based:

    Like, in the usual fantasy-settings writers tap into for inspiration, where the Amazons most certainly belong as long as they have regular dealings with myths, gods and come armed with swords and spears, the people who tend to be technologically advanced (as in the making of machines) are normally Dwarves and often a little bit behind them come humans. Yet the Amazons in most other regards; like age, fighting style, connection to the world, living in an earthen paradise and their reclusiveness from other races... those are all traits shared by the Elves. So I kinda wonder... why shouldn't the Amazons be elf-like rather than like dwarves?

    You are right it would be cool if the Amazons had gardners/mages who could command plant-life similar to how Poison Ivy does it, but with far more restrain and balance due to age. Could be kinda cool as well in case another Rotworld type event rolled around and one of these gardners had to work with Swamp Thing and Ivy (giving a kind of explanation to what gods like Gaea and Demeter means in the Green).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Did some research on the classes from Fate/Stay Night. I think the Saber and Caster classes can serve as templates for the abilities of Soldier and Sorceress class Amazons.

    Soldier Amazons can channel Gaia force or magical energy into them for superhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, invulnerability and depending on their skill, flight. They can also channel this power into objects but non magical weapons will explode after some time.

    http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Saber_(Fate/stay_night)

    Sorceress Amazons can cast spells but have none of the physical abilites, hence they will be vulnerable to weapons and have to fight from a distance. They specialise in Earth and Fire magic, communion with beasts, precognition, invisibility, teleportation etc. They can also create magical items and tools.

    http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Caster
    To expand on this, you can have warrior mages and assasins who combine the skills of the above but not to the extent of experts in either field. They won't be as powerful as soldiers and spellcasters, but certainly more versatile.

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    All amazons should be created equal in my opinion, but their skills vary amongst themselves. Some are greater archers, swordswomen, mystics, etc. than others. Now, Hippolyta being the queen, should be better than most of them, and Diana, being the princess is almost no. 2 in everything, which makes her kind of no. 1. Also, WW is the only one with special god-given weapons. Amazonium should be a special metal that everyone can use, and the amazons at this point in time should be technologically advanced, but keeps the ancient city in the center of Themyscira where traditional rituals are observed. I can forego amazons being technologically inferior but then it should be magical to comepnsate for it, and if everyone is like WW in terms of strength, speed, and resiiency...then they would not be as vulnerable to attack because it's like attacking a 1,000 Wonder womens...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan Theo View Post
    All amazons should be created equal in my opinion, but their skills vary amongst themselves. Some are greater archers, swordswomen, mystics, etc. than others. Now, Hippolyta being the queen, should be better than most of them, and Diana, being the princess is almost no. 2 in everything, which makes her kind of no. 1. Also, WW is the only one with special god-given weapons. Amazonium should be a special metal that everyone can use, and the amazons at this point in time should be technologically advanced, but keeps the ancient city in the center of Themyscira where traditional rituals are observed. I can forego amazons being technologically inferior but then it should be magical to comepnsate for it, and if everyone is like WW in terms of strength, speed, and resiiency...then they would not be as vulnerable to attack because it's like attacking a 1,000 Wonder womens...lol
    You dont think a thousand+ warriors that can all lift a car with little effort is scary enough in 1000 bc Greece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside_85 View Post
    You dont think a thousand+ warriors that can all lift a car with little effort is scary enough in 1000 bc Greece?
    As opposed to the Olympians, numerous monsters or even Heracles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    As opposed to the Olympians, numerous monsters or even Heracles?
    Well, I was thinking in the terms of their original purpose, where they were supposed to teach and inspire, not hunt monsters.

    Normally I have had the idea that the Amazons would be empowered by their creators to be the greatest civilization to inspire everyone else and have the greatest army on the planet to defend it. Normally I picture them as 300's Spartans, only much more powerful individually and getting in front of them at war should have been considered a deathsentence (easiest way to dissuade people from attacking you).
    Then you have individuals like Hippolyta who had things like the Girdle for that extra something when someone like Heracles shows up. A fight I picture was, as depicted by Perez, very much in the same vein as that fight in Troy where instead of two armies killing each other Achilles just killed the other's champion.

    Also, beefing all the Amazons up to Diana's level and we are suddenly looking at New Krypton v2... and I dont want to see that

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