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    I'd be very, very surprised if Carol died anytime soon. As for whether or not I think she ''should'' die? No.

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    Yes, she should.
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    No, Carol should not die. She should shack up with Gambit and live happily ever after. That way Carol can have her ultimate revenge on Rogue! (Or maybe, it's the other way around! :-p)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dum Dum Dugan View Post
    It would have been better if she had just taken Medusa and Black Bolt out to space so she could sadistically enjoy watching them suffocate to death.

    Yeah, I know the Skrulls are the bad guys and this is taking place during Secret Invasion, but that is just f***ed up. That kind of behavior and mindset shouldn't even be countenanced on the side of people who'd call themselves heroes and mean it. Hell, she refers to the dying Skrull as an "it," not even acknowledging that this is a living being she's gleefully watching die. That is just sick and wrong.
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    I'd prefer if they just brought back the old Carol, rather than this wannabe Captain America version we have now.

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    To be honest at this point I really don't think there's really anything marvel and their writers can to dissuade Carol's detractors from their hatred for the character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    Here's the breakdown.

    The Tony Stark fans hate her because she blew him up.

    Tne Bruce Banner fans hate her because they blame her for his death.

    The Miles Morales fans hate her because she tried to throw him in jail FOR NOTHING!

    And a lot of the Carol fans hate her because they hate what's been done to the character.

    So yeah... That's a lot of hate.
    To be honest Carol putting tony in a coma was kinda Tony's fault since he is the one who decided to first ambush and attack Carol and Carol was basically forced to defend herself by fighting back and then when later in the fight tony refused to stop attacking after Carol told him to stop she was basically left with no other choice but to take tony down by force.
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    Die, no. Taken off a solo book and put in a team book til they can figure her out, yes. Marvel is clearly trying to force Carol to work instead of taking the time to figure out how to truly make her work, and im sure they want as many trades as possible when that movie gets closer. Though as with all comic movies, no matter how well that movie does it never translates to individual floopy sales if it even really does TPB. So I say take the solo down get a quality creative team work out the kinks and look at what has worked and what has not worked since Carol was first introduced and build your ideas from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Yeah, I know the Skrulls are the bad guys and this is taking place during Secret Invasion, but that is just f***ed up. That kind of behavior and mindset shouldn't even be countenanced on the side of people who'd call themselves heroes and mean it. Hell, she refers to the dying Skrull as an "it," not even acknowledging that this is a living being she's gleefully watching die. That is just sick and wrong.
    If it were one of the Brood, would you have the same issue with it? Dehumanizing the enemy is very human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    If it were one of the Brood, would you have the same issue with it? Dehumanizing the enemy is very human.
    Pretty much, yeah. I don't mind killing in the heat of battle, but flying someone who can't breathe in space into space to watch them suffocate and die . . . in retrospect, how was that much different from Karla Sofen literally dropping bodies as Dark Ms. Marvel in the Ms. Marvel issues that tied into Dark Reign?
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    death is too good. Lobotomy is better. They could do a whole year arc with Carol trying to pick up the pieces and her brain back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    No, Carol should not die. She should shack up with Gambit and live happily ever after. That way Carol can have her ultimate revenge on Rogue! (Or maybe, it's the other way around! :-p)
    I think this is a fantastic idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrPizza View Post
    death is too good. Lobotomy is better. They could do a whole year arc with Carol trying to pick up the pieces and her brain back.
    Been there, done that, 36 years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianbarreilles View Post
    To be honest Carol putting tony in a coma was kinda Tony's fault since he is the one who decided to first ambush and attack Carol and Carol was basically forced to defend herself by fighting back and then when later in the fight tony refused to stop attacking after Carol told him to stop she was basically left with no other choice but to take tony down by force.
    I dunno why, but this smacks of victim shaming. Carol went from calling Stark out for a fight, defending herself from his ambush, and then to putting her fist through the Iron Man armor in a blinded rage in the same way the Hulk goes from wanting people to leave him alone to leveling an entire community. While we can say Carol warned Tony we can turn it around and say Tony warned her and she still decided to go to the dark place Tony warned about. Skilled as Carol is, she didn't have to try to kill the guy to stop him and that was clearly evident when she showed shock and people gave her crap for it.

    What it was: Bad writing all around. Because while Carol's been known to go off the bender? Pretty much trying to kill her teammates because she's lost herself so completely on an emotional level where she just sees red is a completely different level.




    As for "Should Carol die?" Of course not. Aside from CWII, she isn't really written that poorly. Her biggest problem right now is the disparate representation across a ton of books while barely cemented in her current role as Captain Marvel. And it's really weird to see her as a "spear point" sort of character when her only team was this sort of outerspace thing. It's hard to see people look at her as "The Leader" when her role within Marvel is still a little hard to grasp. Going back to CWII: Does she work for the US Government? SHIELD? Space team? A different space team? Events suggest she is a planetary active hero who is based firmly on Earth and holds tremendous sway. Ultimates suggests she just sort of hangs out in space with her buddies and fights things. Her own series suggests she's a military cop who patrols the border between Earth and Space and helps with alien related issues with Alpha Flight and SWORD. Why would we see her opinion on regular Earth hold as much weight as someone like Iron Man or Captain America (then Sam) when we don't really see this sort of thing in the other books she's in? Why was she given the reigns of an Inhuman when her jurisdiction was up in space? Like it would've made much more sense if she had been a long term leader of the Avengers and not just a temporary leader when Bendis and Cho initially assembled the Mighty Avengers which quickly fell apart and returned Carol to secondary status.

    It would be like seeing Captain America suddenly given a lot of leeway in a gigantic space story where he is dropped into a Kree conflict and people start to defer to him on the cosmic side against Captain Marvel.

    What she needs is for Marvel to stop the events for at least one year so she can have just one strong year of characterization which cements her role to the world itself.

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    Carol has been mostly mishandled since getting rebooted as Captain Marvel. They keep trying to push a vision that most aren't gravitating to. I think the character needs to rest and then be brought back with a top tier creative team -- and tell some kick ass stories. It shouldn't be this difficult to make the character work!

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