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    Quote Originally Posted by NightwingIvI View Post
    Fernandez is back thank God. And Discowing was cool. His '90s suit was bad though.
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    I like the Discowing outfit for laughs, but the actual art at times has for Dick has been awful imo. Like this character should be handsome, but looks like a goblin half the time.
    i think we should revert back to the Discowing ;D yeah i know exactly what art youre talking about with nightwing though lol the art that made him look like Oded Fher made me cackle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comicgirl78 View Post
    Its ok! Im sorry if i did come off off putting to you with my opinions, like i said sometimes i know i can come off hard when it comes to explaining things! But if you find me doing that, just ask me to calm down lol i promise i wont get angry or anything because i know i have a problem with that. Now, with that being said i did enjoy talking with you though, and you have made some good points about the story line as whole so because of that i might just pick up issue #16, idk if i will pay for it, but i will see if i can get my hands on a free copy!
    Good to know! I hope you can give the series another chance.


    Minkyu Jung is doing Titans Annual, and looks sweet.

    But i agree with NightwingIvI, i miss Javi art.
    I don't think Marcus To did a job as good as his Red Robin art. But i belive he is drawing Nightwing and Joyride, so i don't think he has a lot of time to put into his art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drako View Post
    Good to know! I hope you can give the series another chance.


    Minkyu Jung is doing Titans Annual, and looks sweet.

    But i agree with NightwingIvI, i miss Javi art.
    I don't think Marcus To did a job as good as his Red Robin art. But i belive he is drawing Nightwing and Joyride, so i don't think he has a lot of time to put into his art.
    i will come back to the #16 thread if i do xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comicgirl78 View Post
    I dont get down with people expecting the writer to bend over backwards for them. But i think youre missing the point of what i was saying, while i agree that i dont think Seeley should just default on old characters (which he kinda did to draw in readers for issue 15) but i also think that if he is gonna introduce a new character, make us like them before you start doing anything big with them.
    IT was a huge step to take to making Dick fall in love with a character the readers have no idea why he even does. The readers have no idea who shawn is as a person. Does seeley just expect us to again read his mind here? That is the problem that i and many others are having. ITs not that we dont want Shawn there, but if you were always intending on her having a big role in the story, Seeley should have built her up over time to this point in the story, or use this time in the story to build her up to being one of the most important things in Dick's life. T
    here was no development like i said in past comments, there is nothing to attach us to Shawn, thats a problem and its alienating when you have no idea why this character is doing so much for another character you know bothing about. That is what i mean. While some fans may be ok with that, Seeley cant expect all of his fans to be behind this kind of character without providing us a proper build up and reason to be. Seeley had all of the arc of Bludhaven to build Shawn and Dick up to being friends (something he had for like an issue with the next issue ending with them dating). Now we have this arc that has quite a few issues dedicated to their relationship and Dick loving her? Seeley went from point A all the way to point C without even expanding on point B.
    I know Shawn is a relatively new character but to say that there has been no character development is blatantly untrue. We know her mum died a tragic death, we've met her father, learned her motivations for becoming Defacer, we know she worked as a counsellor to help reform former criminals, that she genuinely likes the people in her support group. We know she's protective and has a temper. We've seen her worry about not committing to her art, that Dick was moving too fast with their relationship. We learned she was scared of commitment. I can concede that people might think the relationship was rushed to expedite the story (It was fine imo) but that Seeley hasn't given us a reason why Dick likes her seems like a reach.


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    I think Tomasi did an excellent job building up Jon Kent as a character before introducing Damian into the mix and then he developed their partnership before moving it on into its own book, Super Sons where he will likely continue to develop it. On the flip side, over in 'Tec Tynion had Tim kidnapped by Dr. Manhatten because he was "getting to close to the truth" but there was literally no build up to that effect so that plot line fell flat to me. I suppose it's all in how a writer wants to do things but I am happiest when a writer can both move the plot along and take the time to build up the plot, characters and everything else. That to me is what good writing is.
    You articulated one of my problems with 'tec better than I ever could. I'm still buying it but I haven't really enjoyed a single issue all the way through.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Getting back to discussing the issue, I really liked Minkyu Jung's art here, and it seemed in-line with To's artwork on the previous arc .

    Very nice stylistic art, good at capturing the emotion and personalities of the characters, and even some nice action shots. And everybody, including the guest-stars, looked great .

    Looking forward to seeing more from him in the Titans annual.
    Jung's art was amazing, it's similar to To's but I actually prefer it. Sotomeyers colours are perfect. That dude is sort of the unsung hero in this book. Not to sound too pervy but I prefer the more natural sexy parts in this issue to the blatant cheesecake of Grayson, which is saying something as I greatly appreciated cheesecake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Nightwing View Post
    I know Shawn is a relatively new character but to say that there has been no character development is blatantly untrue. We know her mum died a tragic death, we've met her father, learned her motivations for becoming Defacer, we know she worked as a counsellor to help reform former criminals, that she genuinely likes the people in her support group. We know she's protective and has a temper. We've seen her worry about not committing to her art, that Dick was moving too fast with their relationship. We learned she was scared of commitment. I can concede that people might think the relationship was rushed to expedite the story (It was fine imo) but that Seeley hasn't given us a reason why Dick likes her seems like a reach.
    I think that is the problem I have with it. We see all those problems in their own little panel never expanded on you know. Its like we know she has anger issues, but can we see her expressing those issues and seeing how Dick handles it. I know her mom had a big impact on her life, but can we see that impact? Can we see her make decisions based on that? I know she had that talk with her dad, but can we see that expanded on? All of that could have been introduced in their own separate issues as a subplot and it would have worked better because we would see how she handles it, how dick handles it, and how it affects others aroung them. This issue would have been so much better if we got to see those problems explained before hand in some issues but we didnt. The fact that all of that happened din one issue is the problem because it was basically there to serve the issue. I doubt Seeley will expand on more than one of those, so why even include all of that! He wanted Shawn to have a place in the issue and that’s why it was there, he shoehorned all of that in one issue! That is the problem I have with it and others do as well. Seeley hasn’t given us a reason for why Dick likes her or why we even should because we don’t see and interactions at all. All their interaction happened in that one issue and that is the problem. Agree to disagree but shoehorned relationships is why people stop caring about romance in comics and why our heros never really get to stay with one person that we get to see them grow with. That is why Dick worked well with kori, because we saw that growth. We don’t see that with Shawn we got everything shoehorned onto us in that one issue forcing us to pretty much be ok with it! You can like it, but I will not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comicgirl78 View Post
    I think that is the problem I have with it. We see all those problems in their own little panel never expanded on you know. Its like we know she has anger issues, but can we see her expressing those issues and seeing how Dick handles it. I know her mom had a big impact on her life, but can we see that impact? Can we see her make decisions based on that? I know she had that talk with her dad, but can we see that expanded on? All of that could have been introduced in their own separate issues as a subplot and it would have worked better because we would see how she handles it, how dick handles it, and how it affects others aroung them. This issue would have been so much better if we got to see those problems explained before hand in some issues but we didnt. The fact that all of that happened din one issue is the problem because it was basically there to serve the issue. I doubt Seeley will expand on more than one of those, so why even include all of that! He wanted Shawn to have a place in the issue and that’s why it was there, he shoehorned all of that in one issue! That is the problem I have with it and others do as well. Seeley hasn’t given us a reason for why Dick likes her or why we even should because we don’t see and interactions at all. All their interaction happened in that one issue and that is the problem. Agree to disagree but shoehorned relationships is why people stop caring about romance in comics and why our heros never really get to stay with one person that we get to see them grow with. That is why Dick worked well with kori, because we saw that growth. We don’t see that with Shawn we got everything shoehorned onto us in that one issue forcing us to pretty much be ok with it! You can like it, but I will not.
    So Seeley has broken the rule of show, don't tell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbmasta View Post
    So Seeley has broken the rule of show, don't tell?
    Huh? i feel like i understand what you are saying but at the same time i dont, so now before i comment can you like explain? Like are you at agreeing saying seeley should have shown the development aka telling us about her or are you saying you agree that skipping the development and showing us in Issue #15 the aftermath of all that is better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comicgirl78 View Post
    Huh? i feel like i understand what you are saying but at the same time i dont, so now before i comment can you like explain? Like are you at agreeing saying seeley should have shown the development aka telling us about her or are you saying you agree that skipping the development and showing us in Issue #15 the aftermath of all that is better?
    Show, don't tell means conveying something over time or actually showing it in action rather than just saying it. So someone who is a good artist is shown painting, sketching, or whatever area they specialise in before it becomes a plot point. Someone who other characters say is a good tactician actually makes strong strategic choices. A really bad example of this not being done was in Smallville, when Lana was described by the other characters as being practically perfect despite her actions falling far short of this praise.

    Seeley may have been constrained in the timing he had available to develop the relationship, so it seeming rushed is likely a necessary limit with what he had to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbmasta View Post
    Show, don't tell means conveying something over time or actually showing it in action rather than just saying it. So someone who is a good artist is shown painting, sketching, or whatever area they specialise in before it becomes a plot point. Someone who other characters say is a good tactician actually makes strong strategic choices. A really bad example of this not being done was in Smallville, when Lana was described by the other characters as being practically perfect despite her actions falling far short of this praise.

    Seeley may have been constrained in the timing he had available to develop the relationship, so it seeming rushed is likely a necessary limit with what he had to work with.
    Yeah i mentioned how the fact that its only 48 issues long with Seeley, that was probably a good reason why t was rushed. But i also suggested that Seeley could have spent a good 10 issue with the build up to their relationship so that it made more sense. I heard about the Smallville problems and my mom used to watch it all the time but i never got into. I heard they messed up with Lois Lane as well. I can understand why seeley rushed it, but again im not gonna give credit where credit isnt due and i dont think this deserves it :/ because it could have been handled better even with the amount of time he had.

    But thankyou for your explanation! Ive never heard of that before.

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