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    I did read the Abe series in the beginning. But it was so grim and depressing that I gave it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by middenway View Post
    That's the reason Dark Horse got those Abe Sapien: Dark and Terrible omnibuses out there as quickly as possible, so people could catch up easily. That's why the second volume came out just prior to the release of the first B.P.R.D.: The Devil You Know trade.
    Sure, but that's still asking me to go out and spend the money on those 30+ issues to be able to read another series. And that's frankly, some real Marvel/DC shit right there.

    A lot of what's great about the Mignola books is you can read them, but it's never felt like you had to. This is the first time it really feels like you have to read one to get the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Sure, but that's still asking me to go out and spend the money on those 30+ issues to be able to read another series. And that's frankly, some real Marvel/DC shit right there.

    A lot of what's great about the Mignola books is you can read them, but it's never felt like you had to. This is the first time it really feels like you have to read one to get the other.
    Yeah, Abe Sapien is an oddity in that regard. In part, I think it was because his story was originally meant to be told within B.P.R.D.: Hell on Earth before they decided to branch off the series, so it has a fundamentally different structure to the other Mignola books. It is heavily dependant on Hell on Earth, and especially in the latter half, it's laying a lot of groundwork for stuff in The Devil You Know.

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    Yeah, and I'm not mad about it, but I think it does a disservice to the line as a whole, and the fans to some extent.

    There could be efforts made to make Abe less required reading in BPRD, but they don't seem to be doing that.

    In fairness, I suppose this also requires you to have read Hellboy in Hell, as well. That feels less like an ask, and more like a given, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by middenway View Post
    It is heavily dependant on Hell on Earth, and especially in the latter half, it's laying a lot of groundwork for stuff in The Devil You Know.
    Okay, but does that dependency work both ways? My problem with "new Abe the title" is I'm failing to approach it in my reading as it means to tie into Hellboy and the whole of the B.P.R.D. in order to ascertain it as groundwork for wrapping up The Devil You Know.

    Like I feel to understand most if not all the characters their plights or struggles including old Abe - but new Abe, not so much.

    I'm not meaning to ask you or anyone here to just solve my problem for me, since if I can't figure it out I will just wait until The Devil You Know fully comes together in completion.
    Like Hellboy and Abe have already pretty much completed and then read from there. But advice or tips in regards of Abe as a title I would greatly appreciate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kees_L View Post
    Okay, but does that dependency work both ways? My problem with "new Abe the title" is I'm failing to approach it in my reading as it means to tie into Hellboy and the whole of the B.P.R.D. in order to ascertain it as groundwork for wrapping up The Devil You Know.

    Like I feel to understand most if not all the characters their plights or struggles including old Abe - but new Abe, not so much.

    I'm not meaning to ask you or anyone here to just solve my problem for me, since if I can't figure it out I will just wait until The Devil You Know fully comes together in completion.
    Like Hellboy and Abe have already pretty much completed and then read from there. But advice or tips in regards of Abe as a title I would greatly appreciate.
    You need to read Hell on Earth to get into Dark and Terrible. Fenix shooting Abe pretty much drives that whole series, but a lot of the time the Abe series avoids talking about it directly, often relying entirely on visual cues it assumes you will recognise. I can't speak so much for The Devil You Know as it isn't finished yet, but Dark and Terrible left a lot of threads hanging, and it appears as though The Devil You Know is picking those up. Is it necessary to have read Dark and Terrible? I can't really say until everything's done. I will say I think it adds a lot to The Devil You Know though. Really, The Devil You Know is an ending for Hellboy, B.P.R.D., and Abe Sapien all at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by middenway View Post
    You need to read Hell on Earth to get into Dark and Terrible. Fenix shooting Abe pretty much drives that whole series, but a lot of the time the Abe series avoids talking about it directly, often relying entirely on visual cues it assumes you will recognise. I can't speak so much for The Devil You Know as it isn't finished yet, but Dark and Terrible left a lot of threads hanging, and it appears as though The Devil You Know is picking those up. Is it necessary to have read Dark and Terrible? I can't really say until everything's done. I will say I think it adds a lot to The Devil You Know though. Really, The Devil You Know is an ending for Hellboy, B.P.R.D., and Abe Sapien all at once.
    That sounds great! It will give me a chance to read up on the meandering plot points of connecting with Panya and Fenix, Ashley and Russia and Howards - boy, there's a lot I need to (re-)read to get truely caught up B.P.R.D.-wise, which I'm looking forward to already.
    Thanks a lot for your answering, Middenway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kees_L View Post
    That sounds great! It will give me a chance to read up on the meandering plot points of connecting with Panya and Fenix, Ashley and Russia and Howards - boy, there's a lot I need to (re-)read to get truely caught up B.P.R.D.-wise, which I'm looking forward to already.
    Thanks a lot for your answering, Middenway.
    No worries. I'm overdue for a reread myself.

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