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    [QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2670961]And the only reason Tiger hit him is because Slade was both gassed out and was only trying to negotiate and then the one on one factor of the fight became void when Floyd stepped in, heck I think someone was already taking cheap shots(or bullets) at Slade before Floyd.
    and despite all this Slade was still winning until he let his guard down and then Deadshot finished him. This only makes Tiger look worse, his best showings are so circumstantial that its kindoff pitiful.

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    So Deathstroke was both gambled, weaker (I think you mean hurt instead) and gassed? What else? And is his condition so different in these pages than some of his fights with Batman or the Titans over the years? Was Tiger looking a smidge better against Judith than Batman did also merely circumstancial? Or the second bout with Batman after the miraculous kick still scoring more hits?

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    Simone's Catman almost killed him, this character gave Batman a decent scuffle.
    Batman`s fight with Catman is standard as it gets with no victor. Tiger`s fight with that Catman had both going feral and Tiger winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millernumber1 View Post
    I am curious - what was bad about his writing of Tim and Steph? I mean, there are the times where his difficulty at building someone up without tearing someone else down shows up, like Batman Eternal #51, but in general, I think he writes Tim very well, and Steph quite strongly. His choice to alienate Steph from the Batfamily is the one that is most often brought up, but I think that was very logical given her love for Tim and his "death," and it's a creative way to set the status quo of Steph being an outsider to the Batfamily without requiring Bruce and Tim to constantly tell her she's not good enough.
    Best Steph is Batgirl era Steph, Tynion Steph is the opposite of that character and his Tim is still New 52 Tim in all aspects, the only thing that changed was that for once these characters were given the spotlight in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Doesn't make sense with respect to their past encounter. Their first fight was a brief skirmish in which Shiva admitted that she was testing Bruce. Jason helped Bruce win the second fight, nothing to throw away. She was under mind control in the Loeb comic,she won in the New 52. Ironically the only time I can buy her throwing away a fight was when she got owned by Jason in a comic written by Tynion himself.
    Fair enough all around. I admit to not actually having read any of Bruce's previous fights with Shiva, so I was just tossing that out there.

    And I'm going to FULLY believe that she took a dive against Jason, because even though I think Shiva outclasses Batman, I could buy Bruce somehow beating her. Jason not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millernumber1 View Post
    I am curious - what was bad about his writing of Tim and Steph? I mean, there are the times where his difficulty at building someone up without tearing someone else down shows up, like Batman Eternal #51, but in general, I think he writes Tim very well, and Steph quite strongly. His choice to alienate Steph from the Batfamily is the one that is most often brought up, but I think that was very logical given her love for Tim and his "death," and it's a creative way to set the status quo of Steph being an outsider to the Batfamily without requiring Bruce and Tim to constantly tell her she's not good enough.
    His Steph is terrible. A miserable shell that completely misses the point of that characters former appeal. And IMO his Tim is too propped up on button presses and magic, appears out of nowhere (deus ex machina), technology. But ive long fallen out of enjoying Tim. So maybe his fans like that. I don't know.

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    And the only reason Tiger hit him is because Slade was both gassed out and was only trying to negotiate and then the one on one factor of the fight became void when Floyd stepped in, heck I think someone was already taking cheap shots(or bullets) at Slade before Floyd.
    and despite all this Slade was still winning until he let his guard down and then Deadshot finished him. This only makes Tiger look worse, his best showings are so circumstantial that its kindoff pitiful.

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    So Deathstroke was both gambled, weaker (I think you mean hurt instead) and gassed? What else? And is his condition so different in these pages than some of his fights with Batman or the Titans over the years? Was Tiger looking a smidge better against Judith than Batman did also merely circumstancial? Or the second bout with Batman after the miraculous kick still scoring more hits?



    Batman`s fight with Catman is standard as it gets with no victor. Tiger`s fight with that Catman had both going feral and Tiger winning.
    Deathstroke was aoproaching Batman Knightfall level situation when he fought Tiger. He was framed and was part of a manhunt that put him in a gauntlet of heroes and villains.
    The Batman of then is not the Batman of now, the Judith thing is completely outdated for Bats. Based on overall showings if Batman fought Judith he'd destroy her but if Tiger fought her I see it going the same way it did.

    Catman still landed a lethal blow on Tiger who passed out inmediately after Blake. In the end they were both out, just that one would have been fine after waking up while the other serious medical attention.

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    Tynion wrote Jason as a chosen one who was hinted to take over Ras`s place in the League. He exageratted.

    Fun as it is thought, Jason is the one character with scores over Shiva other than Cass, whom he also did well against (not outragely so as with Shiva, which is nice).
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Deathstroke was aoproaching Batman Knightfall level situation when he fought Tiger. He was framed and was part of a manhunt that put him in a gauntlet of heroes and villains.
    I`m aware of the situation (Panic In The Skies - Titans "Chaos" era for those who want to look it up) and that didn`t stop him from escaping/figthing some of the Titans (notably Nigthwing who gets physically dropped after just two hits),Green Lantern, Flash and Aquaman (the later being the true challenge of all of these by his own assertion). He could be exausted or hurt but he still has his stats. I don`t even require to wave this as a victory certificate (note how I never point out how Tiger "wins"), I`m showing how relative skill compares.

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    The Batman of then is not the Batman of now, the Judith thing is completely outdated for Bats. Based on overall showings if Batman fought Judith he'd destroy her but if Tiger fought her I see it going the same way it did.
    The Batman of "then" is the one with a near flawless Martial Arts reputation that even Shiva gawked at. The Batman of "now" is the one kissing the floor after just two moves.

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    Catman still landed a lethal blow on Tiger who passed out inmediately after Blake. In the end they were both out, just that one would have been fine after waking up while the other serious medical attention.
    Sure he did, they both went feral and slashed/bite each other. You want to count how many panels Ben is still both talking/getting up/looking over Blake`s knocked out body before the loss of blood makes him drop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aioros22 View Post
    Tynion wrote Jason as a chosen one who was hinted to take over Ras`s place in the League. He exageratted.

    Fun as it is thought, Jason is the one character with scores over Shiva other than Cass, whom he also did well against (not outragely so as with Shiva, which is nice).
    Technically, Tim ALSO has a win against Shiva, but that was due to a number of outside circumstances. I'd say it counts about as much as a feat as Jason's PIS against Shiva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Which doesn't make sense, it goes against Shiva's character. She lives for martial combat, the concept of throwing away a fight doesn't exist to her. Its kill or be killed.
    The current Shiva makes anyway no sense. Shivas single goal was to be he best fighter in the world, and to find worthy opponents to kill to proof that.
    She was never a member of the league untill they messed up her origin in Cass Batgirl series, and has no reason to do what she is doing now in Tec.

    Btw. I still think it would have been better for both characters if they had given Cass a new mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclepulky View Post
    Fair enough all around. I admit to not actually having read any of Bruce's previous fights with Shiva, so I was just tossing that out there.

    And I'm going to FULLY believe that she took a dive against Jason, because even though I think Shiva outclasses Batman, I could buy Bruce somehow beating her. Jason not so much.

    Jason's fans didn't buy the way he beats Shiva in his own book, at least a huge majority. Tynion did a horrible work in RHATO and when I saw the way that Shiva beat Cass in Detective, I felt a chill in my spine remenbering Tynion's RHATO run. Hell, even the members of the League of Shadow, with their black eyes, reminds me in some way to the RHATO's Untitled.

    The same as I didn't buy the way Shiva beat Bruce so easily. Of course Shiva should beat Bruce, but so easily? It's a cheap resource, only to show to us how "strong" is Shiva as a menace and how strong will be the character who beats her in the future (we all know who will be, probably).

    Right now, I prefer don't touch Detective, not even with a stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Best Steph is Batgirl era Steph, Tynion Steph is the opposite of that character and his Tim is still New 52 Tim in all aspects, the only thing that changed was that for once these characters were given the spotlight in a long time.
    For me, Best Steph is a tie between late-Dixon-era Robin Steph and Batgirl Steph. Both times, unsurprisingly, are when she's starting to find her place in the world, rather than being constantly undermined by writers and her fellow characters. I completely disagree that Tynion Steph is the opposite of any Steph, though she's definitely a blend of Batgirl Steph with her funny optimism in Rise of the Batman, and her dark rage in Victim Syndicate. However, Steph has always had a lot of rage - because of her dad, because of her ostracization from the Batfamily (even in Batgirl - her slap of Bruce is famous because it's so in-character).

    Tim does have some of the overly cockiness that made n52 Tim difficult to connect to post-Crisis Tim - but it's toned down, and his relationship with Steph really gives him the vulnerability that brings him back to the right trajectory. Additionally, Tim during Batman Eternal was largely written by Tynion, and though he didn't feature too heavily, his self-reliance but complete loyalty to Bruce felt extremely well characterized.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    His Steph is terrible. A miserable shell that completely misses the point of that characters former appeal. And IMO his Tim is too propped up on button presses and magic, appears out of nowhere (deus ex machina), technology. But ive long fallen out of enjoying Tim. So maybe his fans like that. I don't know.
    I strongly disagree that Steph is a shell - in Rise of the Batmen, she's a perky, irreverent badass, and in The Victim Syndicate, her grief is very much a progression from losing Tim traumatically. I do agree that Tim's button-fu is too strong - but I will still argue that a Tim who was created in the 2000s would have had that kind of skill. Reading early Dixon Tim, he's very reliant on technology and computer skills.
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    Not only does Lady Shiva holding-back on her opponents makes sense, it makes perfect sense!...Lady Shiva is a character that wishes to be killed in combat against a worthy opponent...if she's the best there is, and she knows it, then it wouldn't make sense for her to go all out against her opponents, because if so, then she would always win and would never get what she wants...
    Also, it makes sense that Lady Shiva didn't "play around" this time against Batman, because after fighting him so many times, she's now fully aware of what he's worth skill-wise and doesn't see him as being worthy enough of being the one to kill her...
    Another thing that i want to point out, is that Tynion didn't mentioned what exact fights did Lady Shiva "faked"...specially considering that we are in a new continuity (post-flashpoint) and has far as we know Batman and Lady Shiva have only fought once...and "green dinossaur shiva" won...so its possible that those fights that Lady Shiva "faked" toke place off-panel, and will never be brought back again, and if both continuities (pre and post-flashpoint) eventually merge in the end of the Rebirth-event, Batman vs Lady Shiva previous fights are still cannon...just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclepulky View Post
    Technically, Tim ALSO has a win against Shiva, but that was due to a number of outside circumstances. I'd say it counts about as much as a feat as Jason's PIS against Shiva.
    That`s not PIS, Nicieza especifically had Tim win due to prep. That`s a strenght of Tim`s character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bat_girl_cc View Post
    Not only does Lady Shiva holding-back on her opponents makes sense, it makes perfect sense!...Lady Shiva is a character that wishes to be killed in combat against a worthy opponent...if she's the best there is, and she knows it, then it wouldn't make sense for her to go all out against her opponents, because if so, then she would always win and would never get what she wants...
    Also, it makes sense that Lady Shiva didn't "play around" this time against Batman, because after fighting him so many times, she's now fully aware of what he's worth skill-wise and doesn't see him as being worthy enough of being the one to kill her...
    Another thing that i want to point out, is that Tynion didn't mentioned what exact fights did Lady Shiva "faked"...specially considering that we are in a new continuity (post-flashpoint) and has far as we know Batman and Lady Shiva have only fought once...and "green dinossaur shiva" won...so its possible that those fights that Lady Shiva "faked" toke place off-panel, and will never be brought back again, and if both continuities (pre and post-flashpoint) eventually merge in the end of the Rebirth-event, Batman vs Lady Shiva previous fights are still cannon...just a thought
    The way it was worded, Tynion basically pulled a Starlin. No point in laying down a statement like that only to choose one defeat over the other. It`s a categoric statement on itself.

    That`s not a good grasp of Shiva`s classic character. Shiva doesn`t fake orgasms. When she first met Dinah and had a sparring session for "fun" while O-Sensei and Oliver were talking, she gave Dinah bruises and a black eye.
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    Batman can easily recover from this jobbing by beating Shiva in the end in a similar manner but of course that will never happen and if it does everyone will decry
    So ultimately Bruce gets brought down several pegs
    Shiva is inevitably losing in this arc and not gaining much besides a win over Bruce
    So then we end up back where we started

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